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OK,let's talk about that for a second. You have to understand that Hungary,Latvia et co. are not even considered "Europe" by people from Middle East (or from many other places), wrong or right we don't discuss this anymore, it's about perceptions here
Why should I or anybody else care whether people from the Middle East consider Latvia and Hungary to not be a part of Europe? Atrocious argument.

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They know nothing about these cultures and the afferent languages so everyone in their place would have done the same. I don't think this is a criterion in determining whether they're real refugees or not.
When did they suddenly gain the cultural knowledge and language skills of Germany and Sweden?
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When did they suddenly gain the cultural knowledge and language skills of Germany and Sweden?
What I meant is every asylum seeker would normally pick a country from what they consider Europe or "the West" - UK, France, Germany, Sweden etc and then of course countries like Canada, Australia or USA. They might have not gained cultural or linguistic knowledge but they surely know a bit more than say, about Poland or Estonia. And of course they know where they have higher chances to begin a new life with everything that this thing implies - retraining, getting a job, etc etc. Of course it's increasingly difficult everywhere, but people are desperate and still have some hopes.
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..because you think we are all a bunch of xenophobic nazi racists and you are so filled with hatred and contempt for us that you can't speak or type any more?

Or because you finally understand how the EU's messed up "asylum/refugee" system is constantly being exploited and taken advantage of by people who are not actually escaping from life-threatening situations eg. economic migrants and terrorists?
Neither nor.

I do not have enough knowledge on the matter, nor, I suspect, do you, neither the vast majority of the population. However, just using common sense here: the way you put it excludes the possibility of refugees coming to Europe indeed because they have spent the last they had to get to safety, via Turkey or not. I am sure there are those who abuse the system. However, posting the links about them only is a propaganda like approach, think SVP, Mr. President Elect, etc.

I was originally going to post that there is too much hate in this thread so I am out. You have summarized your arguments, I did not compare you to the brown shirts, you did. If I were to compare you to someone, based on your contribution in other threads, it would be Kip Dynamite.
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

German media and politicians have warned against an election-year spike in fake news after the rightwing website Breitbart claimed a mob chanting “Allahu Akbar” had set fire to a church in the city of Dortmund on New Year’s Eve.

After the report by the US site was widely shared on social media, the city’s police clarified that no “extraordinary or spectacular” incidents had marred the festivities.

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Steve Bannon is the chief strategist for Trump, he is the chair of Breitbart.

He claims he will resign from Breitbart; when?
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The language of this forum is English , clearly you do not understand it or kindly point out where I made any of those statements.


No immigrant should become a burden on their recipient society - failure to observe this simple rule is what makes immigration so unattractive today. Imagine a society where the educated & skilled Somali is welcomed - this would create an incentive for other Somalis to educate their children rather than spend their resources on smuggling - not only that but the recipient society would learn to love and respect Somalis - since they add to the community and it's resources.

On the other hand look at the evidence for the kind of nonsense you promote on this forum has led to in Germany :

An entirely parallel society with no desire or attempt to integrate - despite recognising the benefits they receive from the host society. Is that your "giving back"???


Selfish has got nothing to do with it - sensible and understanding.


I would be very happy if people with your views would emigrate to societies where people give back everything EXCEPT their taxes - kindly let me know how you get on there's a good chap.


I hosted a dinner party in my local gemeinde last night - so GTFO - as usual. Also thanks for the usual racist jibe via karma - entirely in keeping with the intelligence level of your posts.
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German media and politicians have warned against an election-year spike in fake news...
What!? The same German media and politicians that tried to suppress reporting of last year's events in Cologne?
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What!? The same German media and politicians that tried to suppress reporting of last year's events in Cologne?
Yes the same theme, suppressing reporting of fake news
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Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I agree with your above definitions completely and I also agree that the majority of (genuine) refugees have not left the Middle East.

I am merely stating that the majority of asylum seekers (who may or may not be genuine refugees) have come to the EU.
These are the 'asylum seekers' who refused to be registered in poorer countries like Hungary in order to continue to wealthier countries in Europe. They are also the ones who have been registered and catered for in safe countries like Latvia yet have chosen to up sticks and move to wealthier countries.
"I also agree that the majority of (genuine) refugees have not left the Middle East."

"I am merely stating that the majority of asylum seekers have come to the EU. "

Do you not see the contradiction between your two statements?

Anyway you are wrong, only 6% come to Europe.
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"I also agree that the majority of (genuine) refugees have not left the Middle East."

"I am merely stating that the majority of asylum seekers have come to the EU. "

Do you not see the contradiction between your two statements?
No.
Please refer to post #351 and apply a bit of comprehension
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No.
Please refer to post #351 and apply a bit of comprehension
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An asylum-seeker is someone who says he or she is a refugee and seeks international protection from persecution or serious harm in their home country.
Every refugee is initially an asylum-seeker, but not every asylum-seeker will ultimately be recognized as a refugee.
Got it now?

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Steve Bannon is the chief strategist for Trump, he is the chair of Breitbart.

He claims he will resign from Breitbart; when?
When hell freezes over with him in it.
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Every refugee is initially an asylum-seeker, but not every asylum-seeker will ultimately be recognized as a refugee.
Got it now?
Sigh. Please refer to post #353.

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Sigh. Please refer to post #353.

And do try to keep up at the back there or you'll be seeing me after class
Refugees are asylum seekers are refugees.

People are only registered as asylum seekers in those countries that follow the asylum process.

For example, under Turkish law, no-one from outside of Europe can legally be considered a refugee.
Jordan is not a signatory and has not become a party to the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees of 1951 (1951 Convention) or its 1967 Protocol
Lebanon has not signed the 1951 Refugee Convention.

So when you write "I am merely stating that the majority of asylum seekers have come to the EU." this is simply a matter of definition. The countries that have most displaced persons do not have an asylum seeker classification so can not class them as asylum seekers.
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Blah blah blah gobbledygook
Sure marton, whatever you say.

My assertion remains correct whichever way you try to mince my words
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Sure marton, whatever you say.

My assertion remains correct whichever way you try to mince my words
True, but it has as little value as writing "those countries that grow oranges have the most oranges on trees".
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True, but it has as little value as writing "those countries that grow oranges have the most oranges on trees".
In all fairness that's a good deal more valuable than a large proportion of your posts as you demonstrate time and again.
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

it's amazing that the so-called left still tries to deny that there is a problem with the EU immigration system, especially after examples like the attacker in Berlin. I know (relative of a friend) a woman from Namibia who decided she wanted to live in Germany and, well, what better opportunity than with the immigration system in chaos. There is no valid claim to live in Germany as a refugee coming from Namibia, but no matter. She just did what many other African women do - say that she is from a certain Kenyan tribe that does forced arranged marriages, and that she has run away from such a fate. It's no obstacle that she has never been to Kenya, knows next to nothing about it, and does not speak the language - she's been granted asylum. She tells stories about all of the other fake 'refugees' in her 'refugee center'. Many, to avoid trying to explain why they don't speak the language of where they say they are from, just pretend to be mute. They smile and nod when the officials are around, then go back to talking normally when they are not. When asked if the other refugees in the camp knew that they were faking, she laughed cynically and said that everybody knows - it's like a big joke.
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Apart from the smaller numbers, it's not much better in Switzerland.

Gabriel Püntener, being the most successful attorney specialized in representing asylum seekers recently stated: "Das Asylwesen in der Schweiz ist so ausgelegt, dass die guten Lügner aufgenommen werden", i.e. the Swiss asylum system is designed to grant asylum to good liars.

Link to the article in German. (tagesanzeiger.ch)
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What I meant is every asylum seeker would normally pick a country from what they consider Europe or "the West" - UK, France, Germany, Sweden etc and then of course countries like Canada, Australia or USA. They might have not gained cultural or linguistic knowledge but they surely know a bit more than say, about Poland or Estonia. And of course they know where they have higher chances to begin a new life with everything that this thing implies - retraining, getting a job, etc etc. Of course it's increasingly difficult everywhere, but people are desperate and still have some hopes.
In your opinion, exactly at what point do you start to put the practicality of re-locating millions of 'refugees' above the whims and wishes of said refugees?

Obviously if all the refugees decide they want to move to Hawaii - unfortunately this is simply not possible or sustainable. It's all good to be a bleeding heart but at some point common sense must prevail.

What about the refugees who get their wish granted and get to move to a prosperous country like Sweden - yet turn around and decide that the specific part of the country they've been allocated is too rural for them?

Do you think their demands were reasonable and should've been met? If not, at what point do you deem their demands too impractical?
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