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Ooh, KK didn't like that last comment...


In other news, a man in Kriss Kross's home land is charged with 931 child sex offences.


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And, guess what, his race is not mentioned even once.

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I'm with TobiasM...What happened to you to make you so hateful, spiteful and angry?
I forgot to add, Parnell, Loz and Phos to that list of hateful people.

I dont deny that the international immigration policy needs serious reviewing and far more international effort needs to be expended into solving this problem, but I don't agree on taking a hard Trump/Hungarian/fascist line, or on pointing out every terrible incident or crime committed by a refugee or asylum seeker, when there a plainly equally or more heinous crimes being perpetrated by natives of those countries that people keep referring too as problem countries. I comment on these threads, because I would like to keep this Forum in balance and I want to keep calling out the real haters, because they have a strange right wing political agenda reflective of the way Europe and America seem to be heading.
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I forgot to add, Parnell, Loz and Phos to that list of hateful people.
Here's the funny thing - I unlike you have never made personally abusive remarks to you and yet I've had a litany of that from your direction - one resulting in your being banned. Now you go ahead and call me hateful all you like but to me that just implies that not only do you have a failing grasp of reality but your education levels could also use some help.

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I dont deny that the international immigration policy needs serious reviewing and far more international effort needs to be expended into solving this problem, but I don't agree on taking a hard Trump/Hungarian/fascist line, or on pointing out every terrible incident or crime committed by a refugee or asylum seeker, when there a plainly equally or more heinous crimes being perpetrated by natives of those countries that people keep referring too as problem countries. I comment on these threads, because I would like to keep this Forum in balance and I want to keep calling out the real haters, because they have a strange right wing political agenda reflective of the way Europe and America seem to be heading.
That same Hungarian chap who seems to have rescued Hungary's economy from the abyss you mean ?? Take a look at how EU's economy is doing against the US - the policies that you support have failed and are failing. Angela Merkel desperately trying to pay African governments to stop their own people migrating to cover up her own catastrophe in advance of the election should be the final nail in this extremely poor policy.

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I forgot to add, Parnell, Loz and Phos to that list of hateful people.
For anyone that hasn't yet realised the word "hate" has a different meaning for TobiasM than for most normal people. For TobaisM "hate" is anything that contradicts his personal viewpoint.
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Here's the funny thing - I unlike you have never made personally abusive remarks to you and yet I've had a litany of that from your direction - one resulting in your being banned. Now you go ahead and call me hateful all you like but to me that just implies that not only do you have a failing grasp of reality but your education levels could also use some help.


That same Hungarian chap who seems to have rescued Hungary's economy from the abyss you mean ?? Take a look at how EU's economy is doing against the US - the policies that you support have failed and are failing. Angela Merkel desperately trying to pay African governments to stop their own people migrating to cover up her own catastrophe in advance of the election should be the final nail in this extremely poor policy.

Am I the only one seeing huge blank spaces in your posts which I assume are meant to be videos?
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Am I the only one seeing huge blank spaces in your posts which I assume are meant to be videos?
Same. Issues with youtube links, again.
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That same Hungarian chap who seems to have rescued Hungary's economy from the abyss you mean ?? Take a look at how EU's economy is doing against the US - the policies that you support have failed and are failing. Angela Merkel desperately trying to pay African governments to stop their own people migrating to cover up her own catastrophe in advance of the election should be the final nail in this extremely poor policy.

What in the name of god are you on about?

All the above is just more unmitigated, absolute, nonsense.

Euro zone growth outpaces the US for the first time since the 2008 crash

For the first time in a long time, every EU economy is growing at the same time

All EU Member States' economies set to grow in 2016, 2017 and 2018

Are you just making this up as you go along? No shame in that, just tell us so we know.
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Did your wife leave you for a North African migrant or something? You can PM me if you like. I'm genuinely curious, in much the same way that a scientist might be curious as to why a particular lab rat is behaving the way it is.
I bloody well hope not as we've just had a baby!
I'd better go double check that she looks like me!

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Ooh, KK didn't like that last comment...
I've just read it and now i'm responding What makes you think I didn't like it?

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Am I the only one seeing huge blank spaces in your posts which I assume are meant to be videos?
Sorry - didnt get a chance to come back until now ... it's Milton Friedman's famous speech on illegal immigration and welfare :

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What in the name of god are you on about?

All the above is just more unmitigated, absolute, nonsense.

Euro zone growth outpaces the US for the first time since the 2008 crash

For the first time in a long time, every EU economy is growing at the same time

All EU Member States' economies set to grow in 2016, 2017 and 2018

Are you just making this up as you go along? No shame in that, just tell us so we know.
Really ???

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/...orming-the-us/





Are you comical Ali ???

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So, all you have to present is data on growth up to 2014, and a chart on FX rates up to 2015.

Neither of which have any real bearing on the economies of two of the largest agglomerations over the last three years.

And you are aware that article is nearly 2 years old?

Is this a joke?

Laughable.

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I've just read it and now i'm responding What makes you think I didn't like it?
Apologies, i meant your brother-in-arms, Parnell. He left some red blobbies on my account.

I dont think he liked the implication that his romantic interest may have preferred an immigrant to him.
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You should read your own source. Further down the article clearly shows that the gains from gdp growth don't reach the general population in the US. It's effectively what Piketty says in his "capital in the 21st century". This quote from your link sums it up succinctly
"Europe managed to make a much broader base of society wealthier."

Additionaly it's ironic you should mention debt in a pro-US sense. Both the US and EU had debt/gdp around 60-65% before the crisis vs about 105% for the US now and about 85% for the EU. Effectively the US government is financing higher gdp growth by increasing debt, and then some. The resulting debt burden isn't an issue now but once interest rates rise, whenever that happens, the chickens will come home to roost, the increased debt service will hinder growth all the more. It's very much what Greece did until the Greek crisis hit, the rest is history.

But we digress. I suggest we return BTT.
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Seems like Mario Draghi has my back:

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Really ???

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2015/...orming-the-us/





Are you comical Ali ???

From your own source:
Figure 3: Growth, real average income, for bottom 90%

Index, 1950=100 (log scale)




The article actually trashes your supposition that people in the US are better off than people in the EU.

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From 2006 to 2013 Germany and the U.S. both recorded an average GDP per capita growth rate of 1.1%. Germany’s ability to convert growth into economic wellbeing was equivalent to an economy growing at an average rate of 6.2%, while the U.S. managed a measly average rate of just 0.5%. Improvements in health services, affordable education and good public transportation have immediate benefits for citizens’ lives.

Figure 2 shows the transformative power of these gains, and offers another insight into how the euro area is actually outperforming the U.S.We could go yet another level deeper and unearth how wealth creation has benefitted different slices of the population. Take the bottom 90% of earners in a country.

If we look at growth in real average income for this group over the period 1950-2013, its real wage income grew some 70% in the U.S., dwarfed by gains of 150% in Italy and the United Kingdom and of a whopping 250% in France and Germany. This means that belonging to the “bottom 90%” in Europe is much better than in the U.S. — Figure 3.
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Why are these figures not better known? Europe is not good at “marketing” itself. Despite a tough sovereign debt crisis, the debt to GDP of the 28-country euro area is 89% or, for the earlier 19-country euro area 96%. The U.S. figure is 105%. The euro area’s fiscal balances are healthier — Figure 5; the euro 15-country area’s productivity per hour worked exceeds that of the U.S., and its labor markets are getting stronger: Since 2000, the employment rate has increased in the euro area but fallen by around six percentage points in the U.S. The participation rate in the euro area stabilized after rising in 2009; in the U.S. it continues to decline.
You are not having a good day today, are you?
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The article actually trashes your supposition that people in the US are better off than people in the EU.
Really ??? MY supposition ?? Where did you pull that from ??

Look at how the Euro has tanked in the last 3 years.
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Well Carsons surpassed even himself, now saying slaves were 'immigrants'
This is a bit awkward...

Obama also referred to slaves as immigrants

Genuinely curious, was it just as bad when Obama said it?
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Back on track tonight :

Migrants Wreck Asylum Center and Injure Police Officer Because of Poor Mobile Reception

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An asylum center in Rees-Haldern, Germany was heavily damaged by iron bar-wielding resident migrants who were furious of the poor mobile reception at the facility’s lobby.

Eight male migrants from Ghana and Togo, with ages ranging from 18 to 28, attempted to force an entry into the center’s secure room, where guards were compelled to retreat, the Daily Mail reported.
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On the other hand, German police admitted to responding to hundreds of violent occurrences at asylum centers around the country. A November 2016 Federal police report indicated a major surge of migrant-related crime.

An official inquiry has been initiated by the Berlin Senate into the total magnitude of migrant transgressions in the capital city. A Munich police report revealed that close to half of current crime suspects are “non-German,” while in the city of Ludwigsburg, police were forced to create a “migrant crime team” composed of specialists.
So much for isolated incidents.

EDIT: Apparently another axe attack in Dusseldorf...

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Migrants Wreck Asylum Center and Injure Police Officer Because of Poor Mobile Reception





So much for isolated incidents.

EDIT: Apparently another axe attack in Dusseldorf...
Have you ever seen an asylum centre or wondered how people there are sometimes treated. Well in case you are wondering, they are not much different from day release prison facilities. Asylum seekers are treated with contempt by the staff and the facilities and the bureaucratic processes are poorly handled. I seriously doubt that it was only related to mobile phone signals.
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This is a bit awkward...

Obama also referred to slaves as immigrants

Genuinely curious, was it just as bad when Obama said it?
Nice try, darling. A disgusting and shameful attempt to defend a stupid comment from a stupid man.

The actual quote in full:

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"And perhaps, like some of you, these new arrivals might have had some moments of doubt, wondering if they had made a mistake in leaving everything and everyone they ever knew behind. So life in America was not always easy. It wasn’t always easy for new immigrants.

Certainly it wasn’t easy for those of African heritage who had not come here voluntarily, and yet in their own way were immigrants themselves. There was discrimination and hardship and poverty. But, like you, they no doubt found inspiration in all those who had come before them. And they were able to muster faith that, here in America, they might build a better life and give their children something more."
Doesn't actually say slaves even once, does he?

African Heritage = all black people, not slaves.

"They found inspiration in all those who had come before them"...remind me, before the slaves, how big was the African population in the US?

Now, your man Carsons quote:

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There were other immigrants who came in the bottom of slave ships, who worked even longer, even harder, for less, but they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great grandsons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.
Aside from the obvious flaw (to anyone with even the meanest intelligence) that slaves who were brought to the US in chains had never seen the US and therefore couldn't dream that their great grandchildren might be happy there, he makes pretty clear references to slaves.

Considering the pretty basic and simple arguments you bring to EF; it is little wonder you are a Trump fangirl.
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