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So much for dispersing the refugees to other EU countries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40479224

They turn right around and head back to Germany.
LOL.

Viktor Orbán was right, this isn't an EU problem, it's a German problem.

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He only learnt he was going to Latvia a day before his flight. He was not allowed to choose the destination himself, and was not happy about it.

"There are lots of Eritreans everywhere in Europe. They talk to one another. We all know that in Germany they give you an apartment and €400 (£439; $568) pocket money. But in Latvia they don't give us anything - just €139 a month," he told BBC Russian.
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Old 04.07.2017, 09:22
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

"They can of course look for work. But by Latvian law you have to speak the language to get a proper job and it usually takes years to learn," he said."

Merkel strikes again - or should that be strikes out again.
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Really, how comes? They confiscate even corkscrews as far as I noticed.
Only the ones they find.

One trick that I've found works with some regularity is to pack two. They're happy when they find one and stop searching.

Then we uncork that wine we bought in duty free and drink it on the plane.
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Shocked.

UN admits 7 out of ten migrants crossing the Mediterranean from Libya are NOT refugees
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So much for dispersing the refugees to other EU countries.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40479224

They turn right around and head back to Germany.
"There are lots of Eritreans everywhere in Europe. They talk to one another. We all know that in Germany they give you an apartment and €400 (£439; $568) pocket money. But in Latvia they don't give us anything - just €139 a month"

I remember when refugees used to be people who were fleeing their countries and looking for a safe place to live.
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Old 04.07.2017, 12:13
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"There are lots of Eritreans everywhere in Europe. They talk to one another. We all know that in Germany they give you an apartment and €400 (£439; $568) pocket money. But in Latvia they don't give us anything - just €139 a month"

I remember when refugees used to be people who were fleeing their countries and looking for a safe place to live.
And seeing you are 59% more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in Germany than in Latvia, being in a safe place obviosuly isn't their prime motivation.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...y/Latvia/Crime
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Old 04.07.2017, 12:56
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

Now Austria is going to close the Brenner Pass to migrants coming out of Italy. Army and tanks sent in.

"Austria is ready to deploy troops and armour at the Brenner Pass - its border crossing with Italy - if the influx of migrants to Italy continues to grow.

Defence Minister Hans Peter Doskozil announced the measures in an interview with Austria's Kronen Zeitung daily.

He said four Pandur armoured personnel carriers had been sent to the Tyrol region and 750 troops were on standby.

Austria has checks in place along its border with Hungary. But elsewhere it adheres to the EU open borders system.

Mr Doskozil said a military deployment at the Brenner Pass would be "indispensable if the influx into Italy [across the Mediterranean] does not diminish".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40491497

I think the best thing Italy could do is impound the rescue boats. Make the message clear - you're not going to be rescued. Maybe then people won't pay the smugglers to risk the crossing.
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

The best part of the article on the Beeb is this :

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Scam - QED
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

Daily Mail deliberately misinterpret another UN report to fulfil their political objective. Hoo ha.

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The foreign nationals going to Libya are part of mixed migration flows, meaning that people with different backgrounds and motivations travel together along the same routes. They include refugees, asylum seekers, economic migrants, unaccompanied minors, environmental migrants, victims of trafficking and stranded migrants.
http://www.unhcr.org/uk/news/latest/...se-report.html

http://www.altaiconsulting.com/wp-co...ummary-Web.pdf
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Re: Migrants, Refugees, Asylum Seekers or Other terms?

"Criminal proceedings against a Syrian asylum seeker suspected of being a member of the Islamic State (IS) group have been opened in Switzerland"

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/asylum_s...m_source=sflow

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That's a little harsh but not fully incorrect. In the end there are appr. 20 million kurds living in Turkey.

There is an increasing amount of negative reaction in Turkey towards the Syrian refugees. They cause a lot of disturbance in the daily life.

It is not surprising to another campaign against them almost everyday. Erdogan's government is also under pressure because of it.
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That's a little harsh but not fully incorrect. In the end there are appr. 20 million kurds living in Turkey.

There is an increasing amount of negative reaction in Turkey towards the Syrian refugees. They cause a lot of disturbance in the daily life.

It is not surprising to another campaign against them almost everyday. Erdogan's government is also under pressure because of it.
The most ironic thing being that Syria wasn't doing much worse than Turkey some years ago (of course a different culture and all that but anyway)...probably even more stable. Such is life.


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That's a little harsh but not fully incorrect. In the end there are appr. 20 million kurds living in Turkey.
That would be because Kurds live in both countries.

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There is an increasing amount of negative reaction in Turkey towards the Syrian refugees. They cause a lot of disturbance in the daily life.
The Turkish government has been persecuting Kurds for longer then any of the other current conflicts in the region.

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It is not surprising to another campaign against them almost everyday. Erdogan's government is also under pressure because of it.
That would be because Erdogan has been unofficially supporting ISIS in their fight against the Kurds in Syria. Also Erdogen recieves a small international stipend for Turkeys role in aiding refugees.
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That would be because Kurds live in both countries.



The Turkish government has been persecuting Kurds for longer then any of the other current conflicts in the region.



That would be because Erdogan has been unofficially supporting ISIS in their fight against the Kurds in Syria. Also Erdogen recieves a small international stipend for Turkeys role in aiding refugees.
The Kurds are using guns for a long time too, so it is not fruitful to discuss who is doing what now as current situation is not helping anyone.

As much as I agree with you on Erdogan's role on IS, it is worth to note that he is not alone at all. Aren't you at all surprised to see IS is leaving Mosul and Raqqa without any resistance and they have not made any attacks to Israel as well.

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And seeing you are 59% more likely to be the victim of a violent crime in Germany than in Latvia, being in a safe place obviosuly isn't their prime motivation.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...y/Latvia/Crime
...but considerably less likely to be murdered apparently.

Just for fun I plugged Germany and the US into that comparision engine. The US with minimal refugees and proportionately fewer Muslims must be safer than Germany according to the logic of several on here, mustn't it?

Well apparently not. Depending on category, violent crime rates in the US are between 3 and 19 times higher in the US. Funny that.
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The Kurds are using guns for a long time too, so it is not fruitful to discuss who is doing what now as current situation is not wrong fro everyone.

As much as I agree with you on Erdogan's role on IS, it is worth to note that he is not alone at all. Aren't you at all surprised to see IS is leaving Mosul and Raqqa without any resistance and they have not made any attacks to Israel as well.
Are you suggesting that Israel is funding IS? Thats as ridiculous as suggesting that 9/11 was carried out by Mossad. The Kurds are fighting because they are being persecuted, historically it is a fact.
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...but considerably less likely to be murdered apparently.

Just for fun I plugged Germany and the US into that comparision engine. The US with minimal refugees and proportionately fewer Muslims must be safer than Germany according to the logic of several on here, mustn't it?

Well apparently not. Depending on category, violent crime rates in the US are between 3 and 19 times higher in the US. Funny that.
Of course if you have a gun to protect yourself, its a win win situation, apparently.
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Are you suggesting that Israel is funding IS? Thats as ridiculous as suggesting that 9/11 was carried out by Mossad. The Kurds are fighting because they are being persecuted, historically it is a fact.
no I am not suggesting that. What I am saying is that Erdogan and Turkey is too small to fund an army like IS and their guns,etc. who else is there is something for you to think about. As yourself for example, who is buying the oil from them

Again, they are persecuted because of their terrorist acts. A historical fact is that they have not been treated fairly but who was in Turkey. The state has an iron fist and it hits to anyone who doesn't follow what it says. Kurds are no exception on that. All left views have been criminalized thanks to the US supported politics fearing communist waves. For example, Gladio is a historical fact in Turkey as well.

So our problems in Turkey are much larger than Kurds. They are just being cry babies about it.
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