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Give me a break! The vast majority of the integrated immigrants in Switzerland DO NOT come from Africa or the Middle East!


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Switzerland
You did not read the report in the link I posted did you
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Or just maybe Australia is a LOT further away and separated by MUCH more ocean from places that people are desperately trying to escape because they're being shot at or persecuted.
I'll admit that the isolation Australia has probably does act as a deterrent to many, yet I also believe that if Australia had a more liberal asylum policy then we would be seeing many more arrivals.
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According to the EU produced EUROPEAN UNION TERRORISM SITUATION AND TREND REPORT the EU with a population of 500 million had 40 Jihadi terror attacks in the same period.
This is 0.08 per million, consequently you are four times more likely to see a Jihadi terror attack in Australia
Strange, Australia's terrorist threat level is 'probable' whilst in the UK it is 'severe' and France has been under a (extended) state of emergency since 2015.

You best get on the blower and inform Australia of this vital information!
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Is there anywhere in the world where even the indigenous inhabitants fall into this *cookie-cutter, pie-in-the-sky description?

See, that's the problem. Most of the bonkers solutions on here seem to centre on wholly unrealistic, ill-fitting and unfair assumptions.
You mean like the unrealistic assumption that once Europe takes in millions of migrants from the third world with very different outlooks and attitudes that they will somehow integrate and become 'Europeans'?
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Old 12.07.2017, 20:21
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You mean like the unrealistic assumption that once Europe takes in millions of migrants from the third world with very different outlooks and attitudes that they will somehow integrate and become 'Europeans'?
Immigration hasn't changed North America one bit. Ask an Apache.
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Old 12.07.2017, 21:16
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I did say "workable" solutions, though.

Ones that contain fewer words like "force", "weeding out", "hard labour" and "lose everything" would be a start.
How else should you describe the process of removing bogus asylum seekers unless you are claiming that the system has not been subject to enormous abuse ?
"Losing everything" rather than paying a bunch of smugglers is exactly what must happen - and "hard labour" should be the consequence of scammers.

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Why should Moldova have to act as a containment area? How would you "pay Moldova"? Forcing people into hard labour on farms is a bit North Korea, don't you think? Sounds like a logistical and legal minefield.
I've already said written that one should offer it to Moldova - it would create jobs and certainly cost a lot less than the absurd 3bn euros given to the dictator in Turkey to hold back the tide. How legal was that ??
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Europe can't keep football hooligans under control... and you think that forcing migrants to work in agriculture will work if we just throw enough money at the problem?
Life in Moldova if you've ever been there is bloody hard - but it is peaceful and safe - work on agriculture is a major source of employment there.I thought that half the SJWs on here were complaining that asylum seekers aren't allowed to work (despite this patently being untrue as Merkel herself has complained employers weren't taking enough of them on). Forcing ANY immigrant population to work is exactly the kind of spur to integration that should be required - notice the lack of murderous disposition from newly arrived immigrants to the US for example compared to the absurdity of the Bataclan , Nice , Koln etc etc.
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You mean like the unrealistic assumption that once Europe takes in millions of migrants from the third world with very different outlooks and attitudes that they will somehow integrate and become 'Europeans'?
If you look for precedents then you will find there are many millions from the 3rd world already in the EU, a couple of million more or less will not change much .
So it seems the assumption is not so unrealistic as you believe?.

Arabs ca. 5 million
Black Africans ca. 5 million
Indians ca. 2.5 million
Pakistanis ca. 1 million
Latin America ca. 2 million
Armenia ca. 2 million
Berbers ca. 2 million
Kurds ca. 2 million
China ca. 1 million
Turkey ca. 10 million (excluding Europe Turkey)

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Edit, these numbers do not seem to include the 2015 and later influx?
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Old 12.07.2017, 21:27
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I don't know what you imagine about Moldova, it might be poor by some standards but it in terms of civility is a little heaven on earth. It has its own traditions and rich culture.
Why do you want so much to destroy other people's country by transforming it into no man's land? It is not the first time you proposed such solutions..
Well... isn't that a bit "racist" to say that migrants necessarily destroy other countries - no surprise marton agrees with him - flexible chap him. My entire thesis is if a lot of our "migrants" got wind that they'd have a couple of years working bloody hard jobs in a peaceful but poor land with shag all to send home or go drinking or raping rather than sitting around reading some silly ancient book getting paid vastly more there than in their homeland they'd hightail it back to where they came from. This ridiculous truth was made apparent by the Syrian families sent to live in Uruguay who thought they were going to Europe and asked to be sent back rather than continue...

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To put some faces on an "abstract" category....these are the Moldavians. Leave their country alone.

It should be seen as a win win for all - for the decent migrants who want to contribute and are genuinely fleeing dire circumstances , for the accepting country who needs employment and hard currency as well as closer ties to Europe and for Europe's security as a whole. I also imagine that they'd genuinely be a lot more concerned with the Moldovan police to the extent that certainly very few would be abusing the local women for fear of wanting to visit a Moldovan jail...
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Old 12.07.2017, 21:28
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Life in Moldova if you've ever been there is bloody hard - but it is peaceful and safe - work on agriculture is a major source of employment there.I thought that half the SJWs on here were complaining that asylum seekers aren't allowed to work (despite this patently being untrue as Merkel herself has complained employers weren't taking enough of them on). Forcing ANY immigrant population to work is exactly the kind of spur to integration that should be required - notice the lack of murderous disposition from newly arrived immigrants to the US for example compared to the absurdity of the Bataclan , Nice , Koln etc etc.
You are conflating facts about asylum seekers with information about immigrants again
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Old 12.07.2017, 21:35
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Strange, Australia's terrorist threat level is 'probable' whilst in the UK it is 'severe' and France has been under a (extended) state of emergency since 2015.

You best get on the blower and inform Australia of this vital information!
Maybe the Australian authorities are not so concerned about the relatively very small numbers of terror victims; you know the lightning story
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According to the link you posted Germany spent 21.8 Billion euro and there was an entry of 280,000 refugees in 2016 which is ca. 76,000 euro per refugee.

The Australian model costs 240,000 euro per refugee according to the link posted, about three times the German cost.
I'd much rather spend 3 times as much on a single genuine refugee , than once on 10 bogus ones - remind us how many murders and rapes have there been amongst the refugee crowd in Australia in the last 18 months.
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Strange, Australia's terrorist threat level is 'probable' whilst in the UK it is 'severe' and France has been under a (extended) state of emergency since 2015.

You best get on the blower and inform Australia of this vital information!
How many of those terror attacks which have caused the elevated alert levels are down to illegal immigrants?

All the perpetrators of the recent UK terror attacks are legally here or home grown at least second generation and it would be a massive assumption that their parents or grandparents were illegals and if they were, what's the relevance?

I know there's a desperation on this thread to pin all sorts of terror linked stuff onto the current migrant crisis and I'm sure if you keep trawling the right kind of news sites you'll find something but up to now, nothing relevant has appeared on this thread.
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You are conflating facts about asylum seekers with information about immigrants again
I understand that word does have you scurrying for cover.
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How many of those terror attacks which have caused the elevated alert levels are down to illegal immigrants?

All the perpetrators of the recent UK terror attacks are legally here or home grown at least second generation and it would be a massive assumption that their parents or grandparents were illegals and if they were, what's the relevance?
Yes precisely - let into the country despite saying he would be a terrorist tells you everything you need to know about the current sham
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If you look for precedents then you will find there are many millions from the 3rd world already in the EU
I think everyone has noticed that:

David Cameron: Multiculturalism has failed

Nicolas Sarkozy: Multiculturalism has failed

Angela Merkel: Multiculturalism has failed

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A couple of million more or less will not change much .
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From your source:

The total number of potential migrants to the European Union is estimated at 200 million.
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I'd much rather spend 3 times as much on a single genuine refugee , than once on 10 bogus ones - remind us how many murders and rapes have there been amongst the refugee crowd in Australia in the last 18 months.
If you insist
More than 2,000 leaked incident reports from Australia’s detention camp for asylum seekers on the remote Pacific island of Nauru – totalling more than 8,000 pages – are published by the Guardian .
The Nauru files set out as never before the assaults, sexual abuse, self-harm attempts, child abuse and living conditions endured by asylum seekers held by the Australian government, painting a picture of routine dysfunction and cruelty.

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Of course these are reports about sexual assaults by the staff, not asylum seekers, so likely it will not fit your agenda

In one report an asylum seeker described being told she was “on a list” written by local Nauruan guards naming single women they were “waiting for”. “She has received offers to get her pregnant when she gets out,” the caseworker wrote.

They reveal allegations of misconduct by Wilson Security guards at the detention centre. In one report a “cultural adviser” for Wilson Security, the company that employs guards at the detention camp, allegedly told an asylum seeker who had been sexually assaulted in camp that “rape in Australia is very common and people don’t get punished”.

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Yeah, Nauru can be pretty bad.

They're also the fattest nation in the world. Here's their president
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I think everyone has noticed that:

David Cameron: Multiculturalism has failed

Nicolas Sarkozy: Multiculturalism has failed

Angela Merkel: Multiculturalism has failed

From your source:

The total number of potential migrants to the European Union is estimated at 200 million.
I am not sure you understand what Multiculturalism is?
It is the opposite of integration, the concept is that people of different backgrounds live together but follow their own mores and culture.

The politicians you quote now believe migrants should be encouraged to integrate which I agree with instead of trying to live in a separate universe.

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The total number of potential migrants to the European Union is estimated at 200 million.
Probably so but these are migrants, not refugees, so they will need to follow the immigration process and be constrained by the number of jobs available, skills, education &&&
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How many of those terror attacks which have caused the elevated alert levels are down to illegal immigrants?
It's not just about illegal immigrants. It's about irresponsible immigration.

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All the perpetrators of the recent UK terror attacks are legally here or home grown at least second generation and it would be a massive assumption that their parents or grandparents were illegals and if they were, what's the relevance?
Irresponsible immigration. Continued immigration from cultures who are not fitting in to European life after generations.
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