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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Latest polls show Marine could become president if she faces a leftist in the second round, as this would split the rightist vote. She would however lose against a rightist in what would essentially be a rerun of her daddy vs Chirac. So it could be that Hollande is intentionally drilling holes in his own ship to help Sarkozy and deny Marine the presidency.

Meanwhile, Angela Ferkel is doing everything in her power to bring the extreme right to power in every country except her own, and to bring down the Eu with her. This is part of her Messianic suicide complex.
Has she started building her cross yet?

Or will she hire a migrant to do it on the cheap?
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Has she started building her cross yet?

Or will she hire a migrant to do it on the cheap?
Apparently some pegida protestors made a gallows for her, but she's having them thrown into a Gulag as she doesn't want some gallows made by Ossi Untermenschen but a proper cross made by the IS.
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Germany does indeed have treason laws, some may even fit the current situation of not enforcing border controls? ie: allowing people into the country without identification or security checks? Merkel? Juncker?
Yey, sure, of course they are unconstitutional.
You aliens please tell us what is in our constitutions, after all you are able to read it so well. How could we ever survive without you?


Btw. http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/paris-die-fruechte-des-terrors-kommentar-a-1062864.html
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?



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I think they are closer to us than you people from English-speaking countries.
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I think they are closer to us than you people from English-speaking countries.
If you dislike anglophones so much, wtf are you doing on englishforum.ch?
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If you dislike anglophones so much, wtf are you doing on englishforum.ch?
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If you dislike anglophones so much, wtf are you doing on englishforum.ch?
Didn't say I dislike them.
Said that they are much different.
This is a difference.

Neither did I say that criticism wouldn't be welcome.

But yes, there is a slight difference between justified or even unjustified or biased criticism and rightout propaganda and politpop agitation against who is in a weaker social position (i.e. refugees) or a whole political class.

What would you say if foreigners in the US, coming from other continents, would continuously throw sh**t on the government, political parties, all media, culture, refugees, locals, ...


please ... I would like to see that American who would love those "immigrants".
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But yes, there is a slight difference between justified or even unjustified or biased criticism and rightout propaganda and politpop agitation against who is in a weaker social position (i.e. refugees) or a whole political class.
I think we weren't actually having a go at the refugees but making fun of the Napoleonic Continentalist Ferkel, who is not exactly in a weaker position yet, although the way she is making enemies it seems it is her goal to end up in one.


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What would you say if foreigners in the US, coming from other continents, would continuously throw sh**t on the government, political parties, all media, culture, refugees, locals, ...

ahem, First Amendment, it's called free speech.

You we're just explaining to us what a backward primitive thing it is.
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Didn't say I dislike them.
Said that they are much different.
This is a difference.

Neither did I say that criticism wouldn't be welcome.

But yes, there is a slight difference between justified or even unjustified or biased criticism and rightout propaganda and politpop agitation against who is in a weaker social position (i.e. refugees) or a whole political class.

What would you say if foreigners in the US, coming from other continents, would continuously throw sh**t on the government, political parties, all media, culture, refugees, locals, ...


please ... I would like to see that American who would love those "immigrants".
I'm American. I love those immigrants. Even the illegal ones. And when they criticize the government, I usually agree with them. When they start blowing s*it up, however, we'll have to rethink our 'just let in as many as we need to support the economy' border policies.
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I think we weren't actually having a go at the refugees but making fun of the Napoleonic Continentalist Ferkel, who is not exactly in a weaker position yet, ...
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The problem is not critizing Merkel (although the chosen method in the eye of an average European declasses any attempt of the sligthest empathy),
but rather your position or even servility with regards to what far right movements like Pegida or FN stand for.


Otherwise you could be right, if you weren't so similar, you could be funny.


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ahem, First Amendment, it's called free speech.

You we're just explaining to us what a backward primitive thing it is.
This is your constitution, not ours. We have another conception of what free speech is, fyi. If you don' like it, go back to your homecountry.
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The problem is not critizing Merkel (although the chosen method in the eye of an average European declasses any attempt of the sligthest empathy),
but rather your position or even servility with regards to what far right movements like Pegida or FN stand for.


Otherwise you could be right, if you weren't so similar, you could be funny.
so you've come full circle and are again saying it's OK for people to express their views and they can even criticize Ferkel, but they shouldn't criticize Ferkelist policy?
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Old 16.11.2015, 23:10
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The problem is not critizing Merkel (although the chosen method in the eye of an average European declasses any attempt of the sligthest empathy),...
By the way, which century are you from?
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but rather your position or even servility with regards to what far right movements like Pegida or FN stand for.
I haven't actually seen any serious attempt by anybody or anything in Germany to seriously criticize what they stand for.

Instead they have been working hard at shooting the messenger, and have got worked up about such things as somebody carrying a gallows on a demonstration, or that the people going to the demonstrations were proletarian riff raff, and calling for them to be denounced, censored and lots of other things their grandparents told them about when remembering the third Reich.

I have not seen one single intelligent piece from any German journalist or government person that actually seeks to go the core of the matter without attacking the messenger, and then getting so enamored of their own ad hominems that they forgot to actually say anything worth listening to. Germany has qualified itself as a joke country.

I can only speak for myself here but I have been having a lot of fun mocking the complete lack of content in the government positions, and the Napoleonic Continentalist way of thinking that says you don't need content but that ad hominems are good enough.

I can see you are blind to this and are not prepared to even make an effort to understand. Therefore you are part of the problem.

Everybody else is wrong, the Poles, the Hungarians, the Brits, the Americans. People who could be your allies if you tried to understand them and recognized their points of view have validity. But because you can't do that, nobody is on Germany's side any more. Your lack of introspection will have you believing your Ferkeline garbage to the bitter end.
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I have not seen one single intelligent piece from any German journalist or government person that actually seeks to go the core of the matter without attacking the messenger, and then getting so enamored of their own ad hominems that they forgot to actually say anything worth listening to. Germany has qualified itself as a joke country.
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The German position is not different from other Continental countries' view, i.e. that the law is applied and that's it.
That Germany has other ressources than countries like Hungary or Slovakia, seems obvious to me.


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Everybody else is wrong, the Poles, the Hungarians, the Brits, the Americans. People who could be your allies if you tried to understand them and recognized their points of view have validity. But because you can't do that, nobody is on Germany's side any more. Your lack of introspection will have you believing your Ferkeline garbage to the bitter end.
Basically the German position is the Swiss position is the Austrian position is the French position.
The links I set before are also from Tagesanzeiger, which is not really a German newspaper, and they are not so distant in contents by comparison e.g. with Die Zeit, Sueddeutsche or Der Spiegel.
In the contrary to this, one of you guys linked an interview with a guy from Germany, claiming he would be Swiss.


Anyway, refugees are no speciality of Europe or the Mideast. In other parts of the world the thing is not really unknown, sadly.
But the difference with the US is that asylum seekers are not illegal, meanwhile the millions who transpassed the US wall with Mexico are, or am I wrong?
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I haven't actually seen any serious attempt by anybody or anything in Germany to seriously criticize what they stand for.
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I have not seen one single intelligent piece from any German journalist or government person that actually seeks to go the core of the matter without attacking the messenger.
That just means that you don't agree with them, not that they are not serious... Indeed, your analysis of the situation is not shared by the big brains of Germany. You are free to think that your brain is even bigger, but said big brains are free to disregard yours alltogether.

Ironically, reading die Zeit and Frankfurter Allgemeine more regularly would allow you to make new German friends. Even some ARD talk shows would do. The voices to warn against a soft naive faith in natural integration of different cultures as if it was natural for the western one to perspire and prevail without effort, which is indeed a stupid thought, are fully part of the intellectual debate in Germany. I understand you find those voices too weak and hidden to your taste, but reading more would help you finding divergeant voices. I spend most of my time following up on that and more topics in France and Germany, and making simple generalizations - by anybody, not you in particular - just prooves that people don't spend enough time reading and listening in original language.
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Anyway, refugees are no speciality of Europe or the Mideast. In other parts of the world the thing is not really unknown, sadly.
But the difference with the US is that asylum seekers are not illegal, meanwhile the millions who transpassed the US wall with Mexico are, or am I wrong?
Asylum seekers in the US go to a government office and declare they would like to apply for asylum. They then get evaluated to see if the are truly in need of asylum. The border traffic from Mexico are people who come one way or another and live in the US unbeknownst to the government. I have known of 3 generations of Mexican families who have never applied for anything. They basically get a drivers license, work under the table, and invest in land in Mexico.

I have see Mexicans who own ranches and employe people in Mexico, while the do service work in the US.

I read a boast recently by a German on how they have now received more asylum request that the US for the first time. He was so proud of it, and it made me laugh, but somewhat pathetic considering the conditions by which they've managed to achieve the feat. Its like the are trying too hard to appear to be popular or something.
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I hope you folks aren't under the impression some of us are trying to be, or would like to be German or something. Speaking for myself, God forbid.
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Basically the German position is the Swiss position is the Austrian position is the French position.
"Das schaffen wir" was a German position. The ripping up of Dublin was a German position. Refusing to admit their error is a German position. Telling other countries they need to share the damage is a German position.

Now even Austria is building a fence. Merkel has helped an Austrian far right party that was happily dieing its own death come back in big style.

As for the Swiss position, remember that Merkel is still refusing to renovate Schengen although she has unilaterally opted out of Dublin. Merkel's position has helped the SVP to their best ever result.

As for the French, its anybody's guess where the present situation is heading, although maybe for once its not directly Merkel's fault but more internal French developments that are driving it.

Germany is rapidly running out of allies, a bit like Dubya Bush did to the USA. Diplomacy is obviously not the Ferkel's thing.

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Ironically, reading die Zeit and Frankfurter Allgemeine more regularly would allow you to make new German friends. Even some ARD talk shows would do.
I have seen some of this stuff. Actually Die Welt is taking a more critical stance than the examples you cite. But its taken a long time and its still very reserved and they're still going to great lengths to explain maybe Merkel did do some things wrong, but only slightly so.
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