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Old 03.12.2015, 09:42
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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You need to remember this refugee crisis was/is a huge propaganda blow for ISIS.
ISIS are busy setting up a Caliphate (Islam heaven on earth) and contrary to their desires, Muslims are fleeing this paradise on earth in their millions!!


So they organised the Paris attacks to influence Europeans to discourage the refugees which is a ruse many people have swallowed hook, line and sinker.


I am sure Merkel is aware of the anti-ISIS propaganda effect she has created.
Its bad PR in the same way that Jews fleeing Germany in the 1930's was a PR nightmare for Hitler.....(Hint: he didn't care). Shia, Alawites, and Christians in Syria had to go or else. They're not fleeing Syria because their life would be uncomfortable under ISIL but rather because their lives would be taken by ISIL.

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1) Many of the Syrians coming have been living in camps in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon since at least 2011/2012, which is well before ISIL gained a significant foothold in that area.

2) Not all the refugees are Syrians and not all the refugees are refugees. There are a lot of Eritrean, Lybian, Mali..(and so on) refugees coming in who are not fleeing ISIL. There are a lot of non refugees migrants taking advantage of the situation and flooding in as well from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or even Kosovo.

3) Attacking Paris with mainly French/Belgian born citizens with no relation to Syria is not the best strategy IMO
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

An interview with Donald Task published by The Guardian and other newspapers.

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"There is no majority to win when it comes to resettlement or the next phase of refugee relocation. And not because of the eastern and central parts of Europe. But many more countries".
“In the mid-term and long-term perspective, we can’t use qualified majority voting as something like political coercion … [There are] more countries sceptical towards a permanent and obligatory mechanism. And I can understand why.
“All member states will be ready to show more solidarity if they feel that Europe as a whole is ready to protect external borders more effectively. I mean that they are able to reduce this number of refugees, because that is the biggest fear today in Europe.
“Debate today is not among politicians or intellectuals or commentators. For the first time in many, many years, I have noticed the debate is really public because the fear and uncertainty is so genuine. You can feel this fear, these feelings on the street. We are talking about our capacities in Europe. No one is ready today to receive these kind of numbers, including Germany.”
www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/02/detain-refugees-arriving--europe-18-months-donald-tusk
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Old 03.12.2015, 10:52
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Mr Tusk: "For the first time in many, many years, I have noticed the debate is really public"






That just shows how little he's been listening for the last twenty, thirty, forty years.
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Old 03.12.2015, 10:58
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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You need to remember this refugee crisis was/is a huge propaganda blow for ISIS.
ISIS are busy setting up a Caliphate (Islam heaven on earth) and contrary to their desires, Muslims are fleeing this paradise on earth in their millions!!


So they organised the Paris attacks to influence Europeans to discourage the refugees which is a ruse many people have swallowed hook, line and sinker.


I am sure Merkel is aware of the anti-ISIS propaganda effect she has created.
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Its bad PR in the same way that Jews fleeing Germany in the 1930's was a PR nightmare for Hitler.....(Hint: he didn't care). Shia, Alawites, and Christians in Syria had to go or else. They're not fleeing Syria because their life would be uncomfortable under ISIL but rather because their lives would be taken by ISIL.

Furthermore:

1) Many of the Syrians coming have been living in camps in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon since at least 2011/2012, which is well before ISIL gained a significant foothold in that area.

2) Not all the refugees are Syrians and not all the refugees are refugees. There are a lot of Eritrean, Lybian, Mali..(and so on) refugees coming in who are not fleeing ISIL. There are a lot of non refugees migrants taking advantage of the situation and flooding in as well from Afghanistan, Bangladesh or even Kosovo.

3) Attacking Paris with mainly French/Belgian born citizens with no relation to Syria is not the best strategy IMO

Propaganda is all about perception not reality, for example, look at the recent SVP campaigns here; posters with black boots, black sheep, black birds.
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Old 03.12.2015, 17:22
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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I am sure Merkel is aware of the anti-ISIS propaganda effect she has created.
Wait a minute...maybe she did all of these to create an anti-ISIS propaganda?

Btw, a large proportion of those who are coming due to this Merkel BS are not from the ISIS controlled areas, in fact quite far away from there.


Meantime, Pakistan refuses to take back Pakistani deportees. The irony...
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But the Interior Ministry said 30 of those who arrived on Thursday were "unverified deportees".
"Despite having settled all issues with the European Commissioner, Pakistani laws have been violated, which absolutely cannot be allowed," Khan said in a statement.
The EU's representative office in Pakistan said all those on board the aircraft had been given travel documents by Pakistani embassies, but that some appeared to have been refused entry because they lacked an Interior Ministry-issued identification card.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/12/03/europe-migrants-greece-pakistan--idINKBN0TM16Y20151203

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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

And now the first problem in getting those refused sent back home. Pakistan has suspended its repatriation agreement and has refused to take 30 illegal migrants off the EU's hands.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35003261
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Old 04.12.2015, 14:22
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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Btw, a large proportion of those who are coming due to this Merkel BS are not from the ISIS controlled areas, in fact quite far away from there.
But ISIS is comprised of people not from that area.


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And now the first problem in getting those refused sent back home. Pakistan has suspended its repatriation agreement and has refused to take 30 illegal migrants off the EU's hands.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35003261
And Merkel touted these deportations as a measure to continue on with her policies.

There is a cliche here about German planning, and what happens when things don't go according to their plans.
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Old 04.12.2015, 15:25
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

A very important and sobering documentary that clearly illustrates how catastrophic islam and non-Western immigration, has been, and still very much is, for Germany

Interesting viewing, especially the last part.

https://youtu.be/KVWAIKoatWM
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Old 04.12.2015, 16:05
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Haven't watched it all, but the same can be said for many other countries UK included.

http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/uk-sharia-law.html

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/55...s-muslim-women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ows-wives.html

I think the idea of free schools was also a bad one. I'm against any religious run schools no matter what faith you're talking about.

There's always been a certain sense of parallel worlds (think of the many ghettos you can find in cities worldwide where people of the same faith/nationality live), but some Muslims simply can't seem to adapt their beliefs to take account of their new country's laws. And the West has been too accommodating in not insisting that they do so.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Want a good laugh? From Zeit online:



Show's how useless the German state is at catching the "Nazis".
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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But ISIS is comprised of people not from that area.
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Well, I find it hard to believe there is no Iraqi or Syrian in ISIS, or there are no Syrians who actually support ISIS.
Even so, Syrian rebel militias are not that much better, oder?
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Old 04.12.2015, 17:21
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Well, I find it hard to believe there is no Iraqi or Syrian in ISIS, or there are no Syrians who actually support ISIS.
Even so, Syrian rebel militias are not that much better, oder?
watcha talking about Arnold? ISIS was founded in Iraq/Syria by Al Qaeda and has grass roots support.

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Old 04.12.2015, 18:35
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Want a good laugh? From Zeit online:



Show's how useless the German state is at catching the "Nazis".
That's maybe because the German media are good at hyping and blowing stuff out of proportion.

If you break down the "attacks" on refugee shelters, this includes stuff like graffiti or throwing rotten eggs at windows or arguing with security guards. Of course the press is quick to go into hyperdrive over these things and claim attacks, but the police have to stick to the facts and the actual evidence.

In one case the press claimed that thugs had set fire to a planned building. So either they must have had a time machine to set fire to it or they lit a bonfire on an empty lot of land, which is no doubt not totally legal but difficult to get a meaningful conviction over.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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watcha talking about Arnold? ISIS was founded in Iraq/Syria by Al Qaeda and has grass roots support.
OK, that was supposed to be my reply but I refrained myself. It was a misunderstanding re. one of your posts.
Agree.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

The governor of Thüringen (Bodo Ramelow, Linke) spoke on Deutschlandfunk this morning. He said it is untrue that there has been an increase in protests or opposition since the migrant thing began. As proof he explained that Pegida actually existed before that and so you can't consider those protests to be against the migrants.

Yes, that, Herr Ramelow, and I guess you also like to praise the emperor's new clothes.

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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Time magazine think she's great - she's been named their Person of the Year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35048796

Let me guess who cast the votes - all those migrants she unilaterally invited to come to Germany without any idea of the chaos she was going to cause. Yeah, great role model there methinks - not.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Merkel has just been named TIME magazine person of the year. Top trolling on their part.
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Time magazine think she's great - she's been named their Person of the Year.
Following in the footsteps of Adolf.

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Old 09.12.2015, 15:23
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Following in the footsteps of Adolf.

Tom
Perhaps they're rewarding her efforts to emulate Adolf and Kaiser Willy by causing war across Europe.
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Perhaps they're rewarding her efforts to emulate Adolf and Kaiser Willy by causing war across Europe.
So she now needs to get Syrians to settle in thze Sudetenland so she can annexe those territories. From then on she will follow her mentor's strategy.

Sad that these stupid Czech's are resisting her resettlement plans. Time to set up a conference and make that idiot Cameron happy with a piece of paper.
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