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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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If Germany wants migrants, I think it should accept well-educated people rather than Muslims.
So Muslims, by definition, can't be well educated?
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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So Muslims, by definition, can't be well educated?
Not commenting on xiaohl's post, but in general:
Their education, good or not, may be of little value in Europe because of different standards, practices, regulations and of course the language barrier.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Another frightening proposal coming from Brussels.....

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The EU was set to unveil on Tuesday (15 December) controversial proposals for a new border and coastguard agency in response to Europe's migration crisis, with powers to intervene even when the host country does not consent.
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The EU could send in teams of guards in case of a surge at a particular border, or where a member state has a "deficiency" in the management of its borders and had failed to respond to warnings from Brussels, it said.
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/jus...-system-320442

Germany invites over millions of people (then proposes to re-distribute them) and then the EU finds a pretext to limit state members' sovereignty re. border controls. What's next?

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Another frightening proposal coming from Brussels.....

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/jus...-system-320442

Germany invites over millions of people (then proposes to re-distribute them) and then the EU finds a pretext to limit state members' sovereignty re. border controls. What's next?
The same EU that nullified its member's national borders is now proposing to patrol these same borders for its members. How convincing is that? I imagine it would be rejected by responsible members.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

This is an insane idea. A Polish politician put it in NATO context: I cannot imagine German soldiers on Polish soil".
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The same EU that nullified its member's national borders
You can add in the borders of Macedonia and Serbia which are not yet part of EU....

As for responsible member opossing to these measures, perhaps I should remind you the latest EU modus operandi:
- blackmail the poorer states and bully them into agreements that are obviously against their national interests (but work well for the more powerful nationalities&countries)
-accept exceptional treaties with the more powerful ones - i.e. allow them to negotiate their own conditions
-play spineless and give in to blackmail from aggressive extra-community "actors" such as Turkey and Russia, for your own good and to the detriment of those "who don't count"
-repeat.
Btw, accepting Turkey's conditions when it is obvious they are part of the problem re. migrant crisis and not part of the solution....could be anything more spineless in the recent Western politics? Ditto for Russia.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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The speech that followed, however, may have surprised supporters of her policies: "Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ” or a sham, she said, before adding that Germany may be reaching its limits in terms of accepting more refugees. "The challenge is immense," she said. "We want and we will reduce the number of refugees noticeably."

Multiculturalism usually has a positive connotation, but to Merkel it symbolizes the emergence of isolated societies within Germany — and ultimately a failure of assimilating immigrants. Her policy toward the issue is supposed to avoid the creation of suburbs such as the areas around Paris, for instance, where young immigrants are isolated from the rest of society.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ism-is-a-sham/

If anyone missed it, Merkel gave an interesting speech Monday. Interesting, in that she mentioned wanting to reduce the influx of migrants, while at the same time not imposing any limits. She also reiterated that "multi-culturalism" is a failure, and that migrants must be quickly integrated into German society, I suppose to avoid the Muslim "ghettos" like in Sweden and France...

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Malmö, a town a little smaller than Halifax perched on the southern tip of Sweden. Muslim immigrants, most with roots in the Middle East, make up nearly a third of Malmö's population.



In Malmö the immigrants are concentrated in one pocket of the city, Rosengaard. Unemployment in the area runs at 70 per cent, stones are thrown regularly at mail carriers and police, and 150 cars were torched during summer riots in 2013.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/anti-se...stem-1.3080484
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ism-is-a-sham/

If anyone missed it, Merkel gave an interesting speech Monday. Interesting, in that she mentioned wanting to reduce the influx of migrants, while at the same time not imposing any limits. She also reiterated that "multi-culturalism" is a failure, and that migrants must be quickly integrated into German society, I suppose to avoid the Muslim "ghettos" like in Sweden and France...


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/anti-se...stem-1.3080484
Merkel is a cum twunt. Still sprouting off the same old crap about "multi-culturalism" and "integration". Integration doesn't happen and won't happen because large numbers of migrants do what migrants do. Whether it's Tower Hamlets, Molenbeek, Rosengaard or Kennedys in Zürich, migrants gather together where they can maintain their culture and identities from whence they came. So instead of rattling off about "quick integration" she should prepare herself for the ghettos that will spring up all over Germany where third world Muslims will practice their third Muslim culture.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

Successful integration in Sweden:

Jihadis send LETTERS to EU civilians ordering them to convert or die
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If anyone missed it, Merkel gave an interesting speech Monday. Interesting, in that she mentioned wanting to reduce the influx of migrants, while at the same time not imposing any limits. ]
From that speech one sentence in particular has drawn my attention - "because it is part of the identity of our country to do great things"...well Frau Merkel, apart from those great things we really appreciate, the last great thing we're all forced to remember has literally destroyed half of the continent and hold them captive for 50 years. Forgive us if we don't show you today our total trust....
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Old 16.12.2015, 12:00
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If anyone missed it, Merkel gave an interesting speech Monday. Interesting, in that she mentioned wanting to reduce the influx of migrants, while at the same time not imposing any limits. She also reiterated that "multi-culturalism" is a failure, and that migrants must be quickly integrated into German society, I suppose to avoid the Muslim "ghettos" like in Sweden and France...
Wow, she all of a sudden sounded like a conservative in front of a conservative audience. She even mentioned "our identity", which she has moved to obliterate for her neighboring countries.

I don't buy her speech. Talk is talk, the results of her action are contrary to it.
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You can add in the borders of Macedonia and Serbia which are not yet part of EU....

As for responsible member opossing to these measures, perhaps I should remind you the latest EU modus operandi:
- blackmail the poorer states and bully them into agreements that are obviously against their national interests (but work well for the more powerful nationalities&countries)
-accept exceptional treaties with the more powerful ones - i.e. allow them to negotiate their own conditions
-play spineless and give in to blackmail from aggressive extra-community "actors" such as Turkey and Russia, for your own good and to the detriment of those "who don't count"
-repeat.
Btw, accepting Turkey's conditions when it is obvious they are part of the problem re. migrant crisis and not part of the solution....could be anything more spineless in the recent Western politics? Ditto for Russia.
Cut ze Germany some Schlacke vill you?

When Herr Schicklgruber sent bis merry men to patrol the borders of Poland, Czechoslovakia etc it was only for those people's own good you know.
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Old 16.12.2015, 14:46
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Cut ze Germany some Schlacke vill you?

When Herr Schicklgruber sent bis merry men to patrol the borders of Poland, Czechoslovakia etc it was only for those people's own good you know.
Any country's leader's job is to do what is in their own country's best interests, be it Germany, USA, Russia, China, etc. When a country says it's acting in the interests of another country it's either total BS, or it conveniently falls in line with their own country's interests.

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Wow, she all of a sudden sounded like a conservative in front of a conservative audience. She even mentioned "our identity", which she has moved to obliterate for her neighboring countries.

I don't buy her speech. Talk is talk, the results of her action are contrary to it.
She's playing the right-wing business leaders who see cheap labor and more consumers to boost the German market. She's playing the left-wing by being "Mama Merkel" saviour of all. But I don't see where the middle-of-the-road average working-class German falls in all this. They are the ones who will be left holding the bag, teaching these masses of migrants how to speak German, obey German laws, culture, etc. and then if/when this all fails, like it did in France and Sweden, then these are the people who will be left living with groups of angry outcasts.
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Wow, she all of a sudden sounded like a conservative in front of a conservative audience. She even mentioned "our identity".
That's not ncessarily a purely conservative talking point.

In Germany the centre left (people likle Brandt and Schmidt for example) have also traditionally played this ball, conveniently fielding the distinction between nationalism (which is what the bad guys did) and patriotism (which is what good guys do).

So essentially Merkel is trying to break into language which will find broad resonance all across the spectrum from the far right to the centre left. Only the greenies and far left in Germany think "identity" is something bad that needs to be rooted out.

But these people will never love Merkel anyway. Right now they are defending her because she is a useful idiot, but they don't and never will love her.
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Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?

She had something a little under 20 points in her speech. They painted a glowing picture of Germany's future, of course. They were somewhat interlinked. It seems like one fail in the chain has a lot of repercussions in her grand scheme of things. Lately, all her policy sound bites have been failing.

For example, she states everyone has to speak German, and the Multikulti is a sham. So she speaks as if she will force people into integration. What about those who have learning disabilities? Not to mention those who simply refuse to learn it, or admit they can?
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She had something a little under 20 points in her speech. They painted a glowing picture of Germany's future, of course. They were somewhat interlinked. It seems like one fail in the chain has a lot of repercussions in her grand scheme of things. Lately, all her policy sound bites have been failing.

For example, she states everyone has to speak German, and the Multikulti is a sham. So she speaks as if she will force people into integration. What about those who have learning disabilities? Not to mention those who simply refuse to learn it, or admit they can?
Thi smells like the prelude to a typical Bush style "mission accomplished" moment. If you launch a mission without clear objectives but just wooly statements, you have the luxury of being able to claim you have accomplished success at any arbitrary point. But reality does not live up to that.

What does it mean, to learn German? What level of proficiency will migrants have to attain? What percentage failure rate is allowed? Would it count if you declared that Arabic was just a German dialect? The nice thing about metrics that you can lay down after the fact is that you can set them up to always win, or to always lose.
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For example, she states everyone has to speak German, and the Multikulti is a sham. So she speaks as if she will force people into integration. What about those who have learning disabilities? Not to mention those who simply refuse to learn it, or admit they can?
To me, Merkel's policy is clear: to welcome everyone... and then put them to work. But yea, what about those who fail to integrate? (ie: learn the language, be willing to work, respect German laws/values, etc.) She has been kind of silent there. I guess she will try to deport them, or pawn them off on other countries? It's an interesting social experiment, I wonder if Germany will somehow succeed where Sweden and France have failed? Stay tuned...
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To me, Merkel's policy is clear: to welcome everyone... and then put them to work. But yea, what about those who fail to integrate? (ie: learn the language, be willing to work, respect German laws/values, etc.) She has been kind of silent there. I guess she will try to deport them, or pawn them off on other countries? It's an interesting social experiment, I wonder if Germany will somehow succeed where Sweden and France have failed? Stay tuned...
I guess she's trying to emulate the US immigration model, which bases on the assumption that everybody wants to work their way up and everybody understands they can't do that without integrating, but that inevitably some will fail. In the USA everybody pretends the failed ones don't exist, or blames things like racism and tries to fix it wit PC and social engineering. The good ones somehow generate enough wealth that you can support the failed ones with the surplus.
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I guess she's trying to emulate the US immigration model, which bases on the assumption that everybody wants to work their way up and everybody understands they can't do that without integrating, but that inevitably some will fail. In the USA everybody pretends the failed ones don't exist, or blames things like racism and tries to fix it wit PC and social engineering. The good ones somehow generate enough wealth that you can support the failed ones with the surplus.
In the US everyone knows the "social help" system is terrible, so I believe the majority of migrants, mostly coming from Mexico and S.America, come to the US with the intention of actually working. The Middle Eastern migrants currently targeting Germany (and Sweden)) are well aware of the generous social benefits doled out by these countries, and cite this as reason for targeting these countries. So it's not quite an apples-to-apples comparison there. Probably Merkel is becoming aware of this danger of "social help freeloaders" and is why she's stressing integration and work now.
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I guess she's trying to emulate the US immigration model, which bases on the assumption that everybody wants to work their way up and everybody understands they can't do that without integrating, but that inevitably some will fail. In the USA everybody pretends the failed ones don't exist, or blames things like racism and tries to fix it wit PC and social engineering. The good ones somehow generate enough wealth that you can support the failed ones with the surplus.
The US is quite multicultural at the local level. These notions of Chinatown, little Italy, the ghettoes, etc. are the manifestations of multicultural parallel societies in the US. Now, Merkel just said Multiculturalism has failed, and foreigners need to integrate. Yet France has just said assimilation has failed. So contradicting statements here.

Perhaps not really a contradiction, but just a small little subterfuge to ease people's minds.
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