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Island Monkey 02.09.2015 15:16

How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
I am watching the news, currently showing the migrants protesting in Budapest and I'm slightly horrified with the way the EU are handling all the migrants... or are not handling them.

My view point is that genuine Asylum Seekers should be taken into the EU, but it need to be handled properly, unlike the situation now. If I were leading the EU I would;

Temporarily suspend Schengen and close the borders, to re-gain a little control and try to prevent the stream of people determined to get to Germany.

Set up large centres in the countries where the Asylum Seekers are first arriving (Greece, Italy, Hungary etc) to provide shelter, food, medical care and processing etc. They should be held there until processed (not allowed to wander across Europe).

Quotas should be decided as to how many Asylum Seekers each EU country should take based on Current Population and Land Area and wealth of the country.

Once processed Asylum Seekers should be sent to an EU country of the EUs choosing.

How do you think the EU should deal with the situation?

hoslo 02.09.2015 15:20

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
suspend Schengen and put up the borders?
1. most of the borders have been dismantled
2. Have you tried to get anything passed such as temporarily suspend Schengen in the EU you know that all the countries have to agree?

Island Monkey 02.09.2015 15:22

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoslo (Post 2443208)
suspend Schengen and put up the borders?
1. most of the borders have been dismantled
2. Have you tried to get anything passed such as temporarily suspend Schengen in the EU you know that all the countries have to agree?

Well, yes, possibly difficult. But many of the posts are still there. Italy have just announced that they are temporarily closing their border with Austria.

Loz1983 02.09.2015 15:27

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
1) Stop Schengen
2) Stop welfare for asylum seekers

With these two steps there'd be no need to process anyone as no one would want to come.

amogles 02.09.2015 15:35

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
problem is

1) Germany wants lots of immigrants because it believes in some fairy Ponzi scheme that these people will somehow save its ailing social security system.
2) Germany realizes their fairy plan might well be flawed, and therefore wants other countries to do the same so should it fail, the misery can be shared.

Until you can get Germany to wake up, things are not going to change.

The other countries need to be sending their leaders to Berlin to bang on tables and knock silly heads together.

amogles 02.09.2015 15:39

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2443211)
Well, yes, possibly difficult. But many of the posts are still there. Italy have just announced that they are temporarily closing their border with Austria.

You don't need to physically put back borders. Just make it clear that they exist and any person crossing one without permission

1) gets no money or accomodation
2) cannot seek employment
3) gets sent home when caught and the asylum application is automatically terminated

aSwissInTheUS 02.09.2015 15:49

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
The Problem lies in the Dublin agreement, which means a country does "best" when enforcing a strict control at the entry side but do not hinder further travel at all.

Few in, easy out.

Treverus 02.09.2015 15:58

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 2443204)
How do you think the EU should deal with the situation?

Well, what you lined out it pretty much what the EU already agreed on. The problem is not to have the idea what's right - the problem is the execution of the ideas.

1) All the Schengen bullshit: Let's be honest - it was absolutely no problem to get illegally from one EU country to another before Schengen. The inner-european borders were not exactly the Berlin wall but ostly did not even have a fence or marking. In most EU countries can to police freely check any persons ID wherever they want, so nobody is stopping the police from finding illegal immigrants now and you really cannot blame the Schengen treaty for it. There are simply thousands arriving each day and overwhelm the registry systems that weren't prepared.

2) Speed. Agreeing to setting up camps in Italy and Greece is one thing, but it is taking forever to get the funding in place, agree on those centralized procedures, agree on which countries are considered "save" so you can send people back to them and much more... and don't get me started on the quota and agreement on how many get shipped where. On top of that, without actually planning to quote GoT: "Winter is coming". I predict trucks of refugees who freeze to death on their trips through the Balkan route.

3) EU member states not sticking to the rules... Italy and Greece are overwhelmed with the issue. The right thing would be to ask for help from the other EU states, but what they do is to put the refugees on trains and knowingly ignore agreements... basically shipping the problem to their neighbor and asking them for financial support at the same time. it's the sort of mind set and organizational strength that had turned those regions into the economic powerhouse they are...

Long story short: Despite of all the EU critics continuously pretending so is the EU not the executive power in Europe - the EU does not have an army, police force or anything really they can quickly send wherever it is needed - it all depends on the member states. And half of them are really showing just how little their word counts when the s hits the fan.

Phil_MCR 02.09.2015 16:28

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
We can send them all to Greece. They already had a population drain, so have lots of space for them. Plus with so many people unemployed, providing services for the asylum seekers can help on that front too. :msntongue:

Loz1983 02.09.2015 16:43

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Germany has made a unilateral decision to invite and accept these migrants without consulting either its voters or indeed the rest of Europe. For this reason there should absolutely know sharing of the problem that they have deliberately brought upon themselves.

Germany needs to wind its neck in, you wanted them, now you have to live with the consequences.

TobiasM 02.09.2015 16:48

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by amogles (Post 2443222)
You don't need to physically put back borders. Just make it clear that they exist and any person crossing one without permission

1) gets no money or accomodation
2) cannot seek employment
3) gets sent home when caught and the asylum application is automatically terminated



Don't get me wrong, but isn't that what happens anyway? If somebody is processed and waiting asylum, then they will be housed in an asylum centre which to be truthful, and I have seen a few of them, are dismal. The financial support offered to individuals i.e. a daily allowance is also minimal. Then if they are accepted of course they can go on to work. But if they are paperless anyway and, or still awaiting a decision, then they are not legally allowed to work and most, most employers would not risk hiring someone without papers. Getting sent home is another issue entirely as that actually costs a lot of money and how can you determine where home is, seeing that most of these peoples homes are rubble in war zones.

TobiasM 02.09.2015 16:50

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2443253)
Germany has made a unilateral decision to invite and accept these migrants without consulting either its voters or indeed the rest of Europe. For this reason there should absolutely know sharing of the problem that they have deliberately brought upon themselves.

Germany needs to wind its neck in, you wanted them, now you have to live with the consequences.



Oooooh, you are heartless aren't you, seeing that this will affect you so much.

Loz1983 02.09.2015 16:55

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
I'm heartless? I'm not the one inviting people to risk drowning their kids for the sake of a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Tom1234 02.09.2015 16:58

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
We need to separate illegal economic migrants from those seeking sanctuary from a brutal war, i.e. the Syrians.

The illegal economic migrants need to be caught and sent back.
The victims of war need dealing with as compassionately as is possible given the numbers and should be looked after until their country is safe again.

Or, we could act like the Swiss did in 1939 when they closed all borders to the Jews. The EU could do the same to the Syrians. (Isn't that what a lot of you are suggesting?)

http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...y-banner-2.jpg

I bet the beheaded kitten thread gets more emotions going then a dead child who has drowned.

Loz1983 02.09.2015 17:10

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2443262)
We need to separate illegal economic migrants from those seeking sanctuary from a brutal war, i.e. the Syrians.

The illegal economic migrants need to be caught and sent back.
The victims of war need dealing with as compassionately as is possible given the numbers and should be looked after until their country is safe again.

Or, we could act like the Swiss did in 1939 when they closed all borders to the Jews. The EU could do the same to the Syrians. (Isn't that what a lot of you are suggesting?)

http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...y-banner-2.jpg

I bet the beheaded kitten thread gets more emotions going then a dead child who has drowned.

Drowned kids aren't caused by the crisis in Syria. They're perfectly safe in Jordan and Turkey. But families would rather take the risk to reach Germany.

People smugglers make money and people drown because the EU doesn't have the balls to day "no" to them.

esto 02.09.2015 17:19

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Opening the doors of the EU to anyone who can make it out of Africa/Middle East isn't going to solve the problems going on in Africa/Middle East. It will in fact create new problems for the EU on how to accommodate them. And the asylum seekers themselves will have a hard time adapting to a new country, culture, etc. The suburbs of Paris are stocked with unhappy immigrants from Africa/Middle East who came looking for a better life only to be let down by the realities.

To solve the African/Middle Eastern problems there needs to be African/Middle Eastern solutions. The EU can help by being more active in helping the Middle Eastern countries, eg. fighting ISIS, helping neighboring Middle East countries to deal with refugees, donating tents, supplies, etc. Also the EU needs to patrol their waters and borders more seriously to stop the massive influx, or else just remove the borders entirely. When "Mama Merkel" says on TV that all refugees are welcome to Germany, it only increases the flow and doesn't solve any problems, it only creates new ones.

aSwissInTheUS 02.09.2015 17:20

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2443265)
Drowned kids aren't caused by the crisis in Syria. They're perfectly safe in Jordan and Turkey. But families would rather take the risk to reach Germany.

With Erdogan in charge I would opt for Das Merkel, too.

Mikers 02.09.2015 17:27

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2443262)
We need to separate illegal economic migrants from those seeking sanctuary from a brutal war, i.e. the Syrians.

The illegal economic migrants need to be caught and sent back.
The victims of war need dealing with as compassionately as is possible given the numbers and should be looked after until their country is safe again.

Or, we could act like the Swiss did in 1939 when they closed all borders to the Jews. The EU could do the same to the Syrians. (Isn't that what a lot of you are suggesting?)

http://www.independent.co.uk/incomin...y-banner-2.jpg

I bet the beheaded kitten thread gets more emotions going then a dead child who has drowned.

I just saw this story too Tom, absolutely heartbreaking, look at that little lad, he doesn't have any say in things and he's dead now. Any child that arrives in Europe as a asylum seeker / migrator / immigrant or whatever you want to call them should be waved in with open arms and helped. Adults, yes there needs to be debate, but children, let them come.

Carlos R 02.09.2015 17:33

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom1234 (Post 2443262)
<horrific picture>

Horrifying. I have a child around that age, and it make me... well, I struggle to explain.

But, at the same time, this image simply reminds me that this isn't the only example - I can imagine that if you go to any war zone in the world you will see equally horrific images, as bad or even worse that this one.

Emotional blackmail over the migrant attempts at entry won't help. The question is should we help people like this or try to address the root cause?

And what, exactly, is the root cause? The conflict itself or the belief that getting the Europe at all costs are worth the risks it entails? Or is it even deeper than that? And how do we separate the economic spongers from the true asylum seekers?

What is clear though is that the social welfare systems cannot simply pay for everyone and anyone who wants to come to Europe, without some sort of massive reform.

*sigh*

smoky 02.09.2015 17:36

Re: How should the EU handle the Migrant Crisis from now?
 
The incredible numbers of refugees fleeing to Europe from their war-torn countries, need to be handled by the military - not by the public, NGO`s, or politicians who need weeks to convene a meeting to discuss the problems.

Setting up military style camps, processing the individuals, separating them into categories (economic vs dinkum refugees). Then parceled off, economic back to wherever they left from on their trip to Europe in a nice big cruise ship, the rest to asssigned countries - to be met again by the military.

They live for a couple years in nice warm air-conditioned military tents, eat in communal halls, carry on their daily lives, cared for. In the thousands there must be school teachers who can carry on education in their own languages?

Daily life would consist of NOT sitting idle - lots of work to maintain camps.
Young people can be trained in trades, this is done in the military anyway, and gives the military something to do instead of sitting idle and polishing their shoes and guns.

And then, one day IF their country is peaceful again, they are returned to it.

If not, then we all return to EF to find another answer.


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