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Volkswagen test scandal

It seems that that VW have been identified as supplying new diesel autos which produce more pollution than is allowed in the US although the official US tests showed the US tested vehicles were compliant.

If this is found to be correct then VW are facing possible billions in fines.
Presumably VW were having difficulties in building autos that consistently met the US standards.

Which raises the obvious question "How did the other manufacturers manage to build compliant autos?" or were they really compliant??
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Old 22.09.2015, 07:02
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Tip of the proverbial iceberg
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Old 22.09.2015, 07:22
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Also, now, possibly applies to S.Korea.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34322016
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Old 22.09.2015, 07:32
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Which raises the obvious question "How did the other manufacturers manage to build compliant autos?" or were they really compliant??
Urea, apparently.
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Old 22.09.2015, 08:50
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Apparently, deliberate deception, according to BBC TV news.

What is being referred to as 'smart software' in the onboard computer, could work out when emission tests were being conducted and temporary adjust engine settings from 'normal' road settings, in order to pass the test, and then revert back to better performance settings, which would result in higher emissions, after test was completed.
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Old 22.09.2015, 09:00
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

And there go their shares - down 18% on the news...
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Poor Audi drivers. First the Napoleon syndrome, now the fuel deception.
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Old 22.09.2015, 09:15
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

Both Porsche & Land Rover fitted air pumps to pump air directly into the exhaust so what came out was cleaner to pass emission tests of the day. This was late 70's, my 1983 Porsche 911 had one.
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

My favourite bit is that this scandal surfaced as some environmental group in the US wanted to promote cleaner cars... arguing "If VW can produce clean Diesels for the US why do they not sell them in other markets as well?"... Must be pretty disappointing for them...
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Old 22.09.2015, 10:05
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Both Porsche & Land Rover fitted air pumps to pump air directly into the exhaust so what came out was cleaner to pass emission tests of the day. This was late 70's, my 1983 Porsche 911 had one.

My 928 also.
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

I'm waiting for this story to unfold further on.

The US NOx emission target is 0.05g/mile. The cars in question are said to have exceeded the limit by 10 to 30 times.

Taking the lower of these values means they emit over 0.3g/km which in turns fails to meet the EURO5 (0.18g/km) and EURO4 (0.25g/km) pushing these cars back into EURO3. As a consequence, it means these cars may be illegal to drive in German urban "Umwelt" zones with a green tag (limited to EURO4 and above).
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Old 22.09.2015, 10:15
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Re: Volkswagen test scandal

As has already been pointed out, it is nothing new that car manufacturers optimise their cars for government test cycles.
I worked on a project related to car fuel consumption at the Transport & Road Research Laboratories in the UK over 30 years ago, and then it was common knowledge that car gear ratio spacings etc. were adapted to perform optimally in the tests. There are plenty more examples: https://www.google.ch/?gws_rd=ssl#q=...uel+cycle+test
What is new is the ferocity with which the US, through its court system, will pursue foreign companies, even of its so called allies, as a source of revenue.
Victims include the Swiss banks, British Petroleum (BP). now apparantly VW. I guess that Swiss Pharmaceuticals will be somewhere on a future list.
To get this in perspective, the VW case has been 'priced' at $18bn. The BP Horizon Deepwater affair $53bn, which nearly destroyed the company. And for those that believe the US courts can be trusted to be fair, General Motors, whose ignition switch problem, caused c. 170 deaths and got away with a 'mere' $2bn.
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Old 22.09.2015, 10:16
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I'm waiting for this story to unfold further on.

The US NOx emission target is 0.05g/mile. The cars in question are said to have exceeded the limit by 10 to 30 times.

Taking the lower of these values means they emit over 0.3g/km which in turns fails to meet the EURO5 (0.18g/km) and EURO4 (0.25g/km) pushing these cars back into EURO3. As a consequence, it means these cars may be illegal to drive in German urban "Umwelt" zones with a green tag (limited to EURO4 and above).
Well if the car papers state EURO 4 or 5, then it will be legal to drive them.
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Well if the car papers state EURO 4 or 5, then it will be legal to drive them.
Didn't the papers state that they also conform to US standards? Germans take their Umwelt very seriously.
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Old 22.09.2015, 10:21
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Didn't the papers state that they also conform to US standards? Germans take their Umwelt very seriously.
I am talking about the car registration papers, no mention of US standards.
I am talking about existing registered cars, not new cars waiting to be sold if this actually becomes an issue.
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I am talking about the car registration papers, no mention of US standards.
I am talking about existing registered cars, not new cars waiting to be sold if this actually becomes an issue.
Are you saying that EURO4/EURO5 certifications cannot be revoked if they are found to be obtained unlawfully?
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Didn't the papers state that they also conform to US standards? Germans take their Umwelt very seriously.
Probably they'll make an exception since we're talking about the Volkswagen
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What is new is the ferocity with which the US, through its court system, will pursue foreign companies, even of its so called allies, as a source of revenue.
Victims include .......
Hardly victims if they've been undertaking criminal activities?
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Victims include the Swiss banks, British Petroleum (BP). now apparantly VW.
Victims indeed.
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Probably they'll make an exception since we're talking about the Volkswagen
no, they don't: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/diese...a-6077591.html
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