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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

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Are you going to answer my question, Caramelised?


I can't answer yours if you're not prepared to clarify your terms.
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female genital mutilation, kids getting married when they are 10! are not religious, stop your nonsense and barbarism, you have no clue what you are talking about, nonsense!!
Obviously we don't belong to the same church then.
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Old 22.09.2015, 14:33
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

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Here we go - the know-it-all claiming to be religious troll. And it isn't even Friday yet...
Friday is the muslim day of rest, so it should have been posted on Thursday
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Old 22.09.2015, 14:34
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Christians celebrate an event of which the offering of Isaac was a type or a foreshadowing.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, after God had told Abraham that he would be father of many through Isaac. It seems likely then that Abraham knew that God could raise Isaac from the dead. As it played out, God prevented the sacrifice, providing His own (a ram stuck in the thicket). A few thousand years later, God again provided his own sacrifice, giving up His only begotten Son, Jesus, as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Three days later, Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

This event is far greater than the Abrahamic event, far more meaningful to Christians, and thus is what is celebrated globally by Christians at Easter*. Easter is also very much linked to the Jewish celebration of Passover.

Of course this is a mainstream Christian theology and Muslims and Jews do not agree with it. (Nor do atheists, some Christian groups and members of yet other religions). But I hope it answers your question of why it isn't celebrated much outside of the Muslim world.

* The term Easter, the chocolate eggs and the bunnies are holdovers from pagan springtime/fertility celebrations.
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Old 22.09.2015, 14:36
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Personally, I think Frodo destroying the One Ring in Mt. Doom should be celebrated worldwide.
Same for the destruction of the Death Star


And who's Thora?


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Christians celebrate an event of which the offering of Isaac was a type or a foreshadowing.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, after God had told Abraham that he would be father of many through Isaac. It seems likely then that Abraham knew that God could raise Isaac from the dead. As it played out, God prevented the sacrifice, providing His own (a ram stuck in the thicket). A few thousand years later, God again provided his own sacrifice, giving up His only begotten Son, Jesus, as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Three days later, Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

This event is far greater than the Abrahamic event, far more meaningful to Christians, and thus is what is celebrated globally by Christians at Easter*. Easter is also very much linked to the Jewish celebration of Passover.

* The term Easter, the chocolate eggs and the bunnies are holdovers from pagan springtime/fertility celebrations.

Oh, so the OP was asking about Christians?


Why didn't he say so?
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This event is also mentioned in bible and Torah but why it is not celebrated at all in west?
Do Muslims celebrate Christmas and Easter? After all, the events are also mentioned in your scriptures...
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Personally, I think Frodo destroying the One Ring in Mt. Doom should be celebrated worldwide.
Same for the destruction of the Death Star


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Christians celebrate an event of which the offering of Isaac was a type or a foreshadowing.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, after God had told Abraham that he would be father of many through Isaac. It seems likely then that Abraham knew that God could raise Isaac from the dead. As it played out, God prevented the sacrifice, providing His own (a ram stuck in the thicket). A few thousand years later, God again provided his own sacrifice, giving up His only begotten Son, Jesus, as a sacrifice for the sins of the world. Three days later, Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

This event is far greater than the Abrahamic event, far more meaningful to Christians, and thus is what is celebrated globally by Christians at Easter*. Easter is also very much linked to the Jewish celebration of Passover.

* The term Easter, the chocolate eggs and the bunnies are holdovers from pagan springtime/fertility celebrations.
Thankyou, i was going to giveup and u posted a very sensible answer, would like to hear the jewish view also.
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Christians celebrate an event of which the offering of Isaac was a type or a foreshadowing.

God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, after God had told Abraham that he would be father of many through Isaac. It seems likely then that Abraham knew that God could raise Isaac from the dead. As it played out, God prevented the sacrifice, providing His own (a ram stuck in the thicket).[/SIZE]
So basically God likes playing chicken, but isn't very good at it, or at least not as good as Abraham was.

Not sure how that works for an omniscient being. Maybe God knew that Abraham knew that God knew what Abraham was thinking, so did the opposite of what Abraham thought God would do.

Or maybe it never happened and was made up as a good story by a bunch of priests who needed a sacrifice; or maybe just mutton for their dinner.

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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Caramelized - I just had a friend return from Taize, every time she comes back she raves about how amazing, theologically, the debates are over there . The monks have certainly earned their reputation by hard work and studies. I would investigate going to that enlightening retreat to ask similar questions, to be honest, even if one is not religious, it sounds intriguing. We have intelligent and curious membership but maybe that place is more focused or qualified?
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Thankyou, i was going to giveup and u posted a very sensible answer, would like to hear the jewish view also.
Are you going to answer my question, or what?
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Oh, I much prefer yours.
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Thankyou, i was going to giveup and u posted a very sensible answer, would like to hear the jewish view also.
I already wrote that
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Do Muslims celebrate Christmas and Easter? After all, the events are also mentioned in your scriptures...
Yes, we have a holiday, we dont have a Christmas tree though.
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Do Muslims celebrate Christmas and Easter? After all, the events are also mentioned in your scriptures...
Productivity in the Middle East is low enough as it is, without any more public holidays.
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

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Define "the West".
West from Middle east

lets talk about europe only at the moment
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

OK, so who called His bluff so He pushed over the crane at Mecca?
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West from Middle east

lets talk about europe only at the moment

Why?


You're being very evasive here. Whose practices, exactly, do you wish you ask about?
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Yes, we have a holiday, we dont have a Christmas tree though.
You have holidays specifically to celebrate the birth and the resurrection of Jesus? I don't think so.
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