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thankyou Longbyte for staying on the topic.

Isaac being born to Abraham after a lot of prayers and long time, Abraham was one hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. he was his most beloved son and this was a test that only a father who waited so long for birth of his first child can understand.

we are celebrating Abraham was successful in his test and we celebrate the feast of sacrifice.
That is nice that you celebrate that feast of sacrifice, and find happiness in that.

The ways of this world, I think, is that everyone celebrates things which are important to them, in their own ways.

And people these days are not (in the west anyway) making babies when they are 100 years old. So, yes, you are correct, the old guy appreciated that son of his ( we are led to believe) - but all that is not considered important enough to "celebrate" as most of the Christian beliefs are based on the New Testament of the Bible. Which is in conflict (I believe) with those religions still based on the Old Testament?

A lot of what is in the Old Testament is not relevant in these times. For instance it is stated that when a country goes to war and conquers another land, it is ordered to kill everyone and everything in that land - or be cursed.

This is not done anymore. Maybe in the thousands of years since those times, humans have progressed to another way of thinking and behaving?

Perhaps it would have been better all round if we`d stuck to those old laws? In that way there would be no mixing of the cultures, and trying to enforce one set of religious beliefs on others of a different belief?
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Do Muslims celebrate Christmas and Easter? After all, the events are also mentioned in your scriptures...
I thought I'd heard that Christmas was a heathen tradition since Jesus supposedly wasn't born then. May be wrong though, not my area of expertise.
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thankyou Longbyte for staying on the topic.

Isaac being born to Abraham after a lot of prayers and long time, Abraham was one hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. he was his most beloved son and this was a test that only a father who waited so long for birth of his first child can understand.

we are celebrating Abraham was successful in his test and we celebrate the feast of sacrifice.
Wow, they had viagra back in them days..?
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Anyone asking about Abraham?

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Old 22.09.2015, 14:58
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stay on topic or leave the thread alone, thanks
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:00
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aww! Come on, baiting religious nutters is just too easy.
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Methinks everyone here should start studying ancient and varied religious topics as (according to the press) various religions from the east will be/are descending upon Europe - so there may be many such arbitrary questions posed requiring intelligent replies - and Google/Wikipedia is obviously not as entertaining as having direct replies.

Of course, one may simply direct these folks with their religious questions to their local minister who usually is in residence in that big building with a steeple, which occupies the center of most European towns - who will most happily answer ALL their theological questions.
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Aww! Come on, baiting religious nutters is just too much fun.
Being curious about religion and scripture doesn't make you a nutter.. blowing up buildings does.
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:04
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Being curious about religion and scripture doesn't make you a nutter.. blowing up buildings does.
Posting a religious point on EF surely comes close though...
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:07
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

Ok, I'll try an make a very long story very short: the old testament is full of crap, even for religious Christians. Nobody stones their daughter if she was raped but did not scream for help loud enough and I for one also enjoy eating shrimps even though they don't have scales.

Christianity is mostly focused on the new testament and takes the old one with a huge pinch of salt as a collection of old educational stories. Even religious Christians would not take every story there literally, but try to understand the essence of the teaching instead.

When it comes to Abraham: Well, there are simply way more important things to celebrate than that story...
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:08
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Posting a religious point on EF surely comes close though...
Yup.

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Old 22.09.2015, 15:10
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- who will most happily answer ALL their theological questions.
Unless they're too difficult, like why does supposedly omnipotent god allow war, starvation and other nasty things.

To which the standard reply is "it's a test to see if you get into heaven".

So then you ask "But god's omniscient as well, so what need for a test?".

To which the answer is usually that questioning the word of god is a sin, so shut up and pray...
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:11
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thankyou Longbyte for staying on the topic.

Isaac being born to Abraham after a lot of prayers and long time, Abraham was one hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. he was his most beloved son and this was a test that only a father who waited so long for birth of his first child can understand.

we are celebrating Abraham was successful in his test and we celebrate the feast of sacrifice.
I thought Louise Brown was first test tube baby

Isn't it about time Abraham thought about a vasectomy ?
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Old 22.09.2015, 15:14
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

To put it short, any "god" who told me to kill my son would have the police on his ass asap.
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a collection of old educational stories
Indeed. Back when the earth was flat, disease was caused by evil spirits, and people with a different coloured skin or language were evil.

Fortunately we've moved on, the vast majority know the first two are nonsense, and maybe even a decent majority reject the last one.
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

I think it's probably because Abraham is supposed to be founding father of the Jewish people through his son Isaac and is revered as such, and he is also father to the Arab people (who are usually Muslim), through his other son (I think his name was Ishmael), whom he conceived with his wife's servant (handmaid). So both Arab and Jewish people therefore have the same founding father, although with different mothers! Semitic races.


People in the west can't claim Abraham as a founding father.
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Re: Binding/Sacrifice of Isaac

It's difficult to celebrate and attend anything here because it's in Schweizerdütsch.

On a serious note though, my religion is to be a good man who tries to swing back on the path of righteousness every time he drifts off the course. Don't need to attend any festivities for that reason, but kindly reminder from a peer/brethren that "you might be wrong" will usually come a long way.
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