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Old 07.11.2015, 10:15
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Re: Bucharest night club fire kills (at least) 27

A medical clinic in my area is trying to raise donations for medical establishments in Romania. Don't they know what they're up against (unfortunately)? I wonder what there plan is: which place will be tackled first hawho is going to skim most of these donations when they get to Romania! I hope very much that the current protests against corruption will have some positive results, but I am afraid it will turn out the Occupy movement...

A friend of mine, who is a (Romanian-trained) medical doctor, and who emigrated, and retrained as a molecular biologist, just lived through a tragedy where the pulmonary hospital where her grandpa was transferred to for pulmonary suctioning, was NOT equipped with a single suctioning pump (65 euros plus tax!). Instead, he was left to die. When questioned by the family, the staff just screamed at them and insulted them.

Although they were treated horribly, she will still donate a pump to the TB hospital.

Article here:
http://specialarad.ro/scrisoare-deschisa-dana-olar/

Google translate here - Warning: very poor translation.
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

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I hope very much that the current protests against corruption will have some positive results, but I am afraid it will turn out the Occupy movement...
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With all due respect...
I appreciate your concerns, fuunybone. Yes, there have been some cases when some bureaucrats from the Health Department were involved in corruption cases, and they were the ones who decide what goes where, and based on very non-transparent criteria at that. Mind, they are not even part of the medical staff..
But as far as I know many other clinics, private or state owned hospitals gladly recieved donations or sponsorships from abroad, especially back in the days, after the regime change, in the '90s.
The system is still underfinanced.
I don't think they would still need any donation tbh, if the state would do their job. And that infuriates us, the public, and them, the doctors and nurses.
Unfortunately, some hospitals who are in the state's "care" were neglected...especially those outside of big cities. Not least because so many doctors and nurses are leaving to work in other countries, where they can practice their profession .... in peace. Btw, just checked, there were 67 closed hospitals only in the last 5 years, with the justification that they were not...efficient. (?) And because it was part of the austerity measures the government "had" (?) to take...whatever.

As I said, I appreciate your concerns but I am afraid that stories like this (a 93 years old patient died because, allegedly, he wasn't treated properly) don't really offer an accurate picture, which is not so dark as you think. Also, I too know a few people who emigrated decades ago....and know how they think, with all my sympathy for them.
There are many good clinics and hospitals in the country, despite all corruption cases.
In fact, because there were so many severely injured and burned on more than half of their body skin, a team of French doctors came to help and visited all the hospitals which recieved those people and were impressed by the quality of care and even said they couldn't have done any better in their country.
Unfortunately, it was too bad, the demages were too big to save all of them. Another 9 deaths, after agonising days for the relatives, for our medical staff, who against all odds fights for patients lives, and for the whole country.
R.I.P.

P.S. You have to be aware that this type of accidents with so many victims (burned people are very difficult to treat) was something new in my country, and no hospital was truly equipped to take care of so many severe cases .... especially when they lack staff. (most European foreign doctors in the EU western states are Romanians...you can check the stats), but they managed somehow. The also got help from three Israeli doctors, who were the first to come to help...the next day after the accident they were in Bucharest.

Most of the injured are treated here.
http://scub.ro/
http://www.suub.ro/
http://www.bagdasar-arseni.ro/
or here
http://www.spitalul-elias.ro/
All are state hospitals.

A few of the injured were transferred to hospitals in Belgium and Netherlands, with military airplanes - all expenses for medical treatement are covered by the Romanian state, for those who are worried their country is losing something...do not worry anymore.
2 patients (one Italian and one Turkish students) died in the Netherlands yesterday. I am afraid that the death toll will climb.
Yes, I am afraid to read the news..., one more lost the battle with severe burning and gas intoxication.
44 victims so far and still over 100 people in hospitals, some in a critical state, others with good chances to survive. And they would need surgeons, specialised in this kind of interventions, and who are so difficult to find now....the local ones are already extremely over-worked.. The patients need medical supervision 24/24 because their state can deteriorate any time.
Hope to read only good news from now on.



Musician Andre Rieu came to Bucharest, where he has his loyal public to lit a candle and pay his respects to the Colectiv victims. One of the true friends of Romanians.
http://observator.ro/stiri-live-andr...iv-343949.html


An English surgeon came to Romania for the victims of Colectiv. As I already knew, she confirms that everyone is doing their best to save the injured. Hopefully, all of those who are still fighting for their lives will survive. So young, so beautiful. Beautiful people have gathered on that day, just to listen to some music...

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"I think I saw at least 50 patients in this period and we felt that the care was very good, the level of available medical equipment amounted to the level that I expected for these serious disorders of patients. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised that it was enough equipment for all patients, given their number. As for the medical training and attention the medical staff has given it is, without exception, exemplary and I think it is a great qualifier for your country and your medical professionals in Romania: the quality of doctors that I met here" the doctor said in the interview published on the Facebook page of the Department for Emergency Situations, taken by Agerpres.

Dr. Sarah Pape, who is burns consultant for 20 years, said she visited three hospitals in Bucharest where the injured were admitted and that she discussed with colleagues from several European countries who have visited other hospitals, and they have shared the view."

http://www.obiectiv.info/incendiu-co...ani_85511.html


Latest news...Unfortunately, a few more people who were transferred to UK and the Netherlands a few days ago, and a couple who were treated in Bucharest have died.
Very, very sad...

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The new PM is former EU agriculture commissioner, Dacian Ciolos. Now he has to form a government that will be approved by Parliament. He is going to run a technocrat administration till Dec 2016.

From the NY Times:

"It is unlikely that Mr. Ciolos’s nomination will hit any roadblocks in Parliament. The resignation of Mr. Ponta — who is under a criminal investigation for financial misconduct — has tarnished Romania’s political elite, which is trying to appear united and clean up its image.

“Ciolos is not a polarizing figure, but his image is not yet defined in the eyes of the Romanian public,” said Radu Magdin, chief executive of Smartlink, a political consulting group. “He is not well known, but he has good credentials for leading a technocrat government and his experience in Brussels helps.”

Mr. Ciolos has 10 days to name ministers, draft a legislative program and ask Parliament for a vote of confidence. If he gets it, he is likely to hold office until parliamentary elections scheduled for December 2016.

Protests have continued in Bucharest in recent days, though with fewer demonstrators than the estimated 35,000 who took to the streets Wednesday, the day Mr. Ponta resigned."
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After opening it in September 2014 the owners ran the club without any authorisation for a month, but eventually got one declaring on their own responsibility that the establishment would be used to host maximum 80 people (as to avoid having to do more for complying with safety standards). At the moment of the fire....there were more than 400 people.
In my opinion public servants&mayor have miserably failed to check/inspect this place (I don't know why but as everyone else I suspect something), and the mayor should have resigned the next day...and NOT because of the public pressure....sad.
Having a law and enforcing a law are two different things. In most countries there is a gap between the two. Switzerland can be really good at this. However in Romania the gap is often filled with "officials" (civil servants and the like) who will ... er, fill their pockets first - here is a perfect case of this ending up in a mass tragedy.

There is also the social aspect of this : would one accept a "club" that obeyed rules? would that make it cool? Went to a concert in Zurich the other week - max 60 people and no fire -works, must say any other time that would have seemed dull. Now it just seemed right....

Romania had an alleged technocrat in 1990 in the shape of Petre Roman. It takes a change of mind-set as well as a change of government. Maybe the 25 years olds of today have got what it takes more than their parents did.

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Romania had an alleged technocrat in 1990 in the shape of Petre Roman. It takes a change of mind-set as well as a change of government. Maybe the 25 years olds of today have got what it takes more than their parents did.
Was he? Hmm, I always thought he was some kind of revolutionary... A true politician anyway. (unless everyone who earned a PhD in France could be called a technocrat)



As far as I know we have to "thank" him too for crushing our true Occupy movement - Piata Universitatii....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golaniad
Seems everyone forgot about it.

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