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I would say the opposite is true, its those with the lowest adherence to Islam and the weakest grasp of their religion who are most likely to commit terrorist acts. Time and again we are seeing that the terrorists have a history of petty crime, juvenile delinquency and some are even recent converts. These are far from scholars of Islam, they are instead weak minded people, easily manipulated and impressed by people who can recite to them twisted and out of context verses from the Qu'ran.
So would you say the majority of people in the Middle East who follow Islam are scholars, or under-educated people who can be easily manipulated via religion?
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So would you say the majority of people in the Middle East who follow Islam are scholars, or under-educated people who can be easily manipulated via religion?
What has this got to do with the majority of people in the Middle East?
If pushed however I would say the majority of people in that region are no different to the majority here, they simply want to get on with their lives and for them their religion is a pretty private matter.
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I would say the opposite is true, its those with the lowest adherence to Islam and the weakest grasp of their religion who are most likely to commit terrorist acts. Time and again we are seeing that the terrorists have a history of petty crime, juvenile delinquency and some are even recent converts. These are far from scholars of Islam, they are instead weak minded people, easily manipulated and impressed by people who can recite to them twisted and out of context verses from the Qu'ran.

Most experts agree that a solid understanding of Islam is what is most likely to immunise the individual against radicalism, because the penalties for killing innocent people, spreading terror in the land, transgressing the boundaries of war etc.. is eternal damnation (and not wine and virgins).
This still doesn't explain the Saudis and why they back the terrorists. They perceive themselves scholars and their crazy Wahhabism to be the true form of Islam. They have no history of petty crime or delinquency. They're just lunatics.
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This still doesn't explain the Saudis and why they back the terrorists. They perceive themselves scholars and their crazy Wahhabism to be the true form of Islam. They have no history of petty crime or delinquency. They're just lunatics.
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What has this got to do with the majority of people in the Middle East?
If pushed however I would say the majority of people in that region are no different to the majority here, they simply want to get on with their lives and for them their religion is a pretty private matter.
The middle east is very differntly to europe. Religion is very powerful and religion secterianism can only held back in Arab countries by brutal dictators.
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This still doesn't explain the Saudis and why they back the terrorists. They perceive themselves scholars and their crazy Wahhabism to be the true form of Islam. They have no history of petty crime or delinquency. They're just lunatics.
The Saudi regime is a brutal and crazy dictatorship, no better than that of Ghaddafi.

But they get away with it because they have the right friends.
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What has this got to do with the majority of people in the Middle East?
If pushed however I would say the majority of people in that region are no different to the majority here, they simply want to get on with their lives and for them their religion is a pretty private matter.
What does Islamic Extremism and ISIS have to do with the Middle East? Religion is a "private matter"? Ok...

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The correct figures, based on the 2013 Pew Research Center report, are 88% of Muslims in Egypt and 62% of Muslims in Pakistan favor the death penalty for people who leave the Muslim religion.
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What does ISIS have to do with the Middle East? Ok...
This is a bizarre discussion
The majority of the inhabitants of the Middle East do not have ISIS membership cards or anything else to do with the group. ISIS is an international terrorist group which happens to have a base in a lawless part of Syria. If it were reflective of the views of people in the region you wouldn't have hundreds of thousands fleeing to get away from them.
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A regime that the whole of the west is in bed with. As long of the House of Saud is standing then the terrorism will continue. It needs to be crushed.

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A regime that the whole of the west is in bed with. As long of the House of Saud is standing then the terrorism will continue. It needs to be crushed
Hurrah, I knew you would get there in the end
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This is a bizarre discussion
The majority of the inhabitants of the Middle East do not have ISIS membership cards or anything else to do with the group. ISIS is an international terrorist group which happens to have a base in a lawless part of Syria. If it were reflective of the views of people in the region you wouldn't have hundreds of thousands fleeing to get away from them.
I think you just "hit the nail on the head"
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Old 16.11.2015, 17:45
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A regime that the whole of the west is in bed with. As long of the House of Saud is standing then the terrorism will continue. It needs to be crushed.
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Manuel Valls, french Prime Minister, signed commercial deals worth 10b$ with Saudi Arabia early October 2015..... sure he will crush that
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That pianist drove 400 miles to play Imagine in front of the Bataclan. That wasn't about this massacre, that was all about him. And the irony of playing Imagine. Lennon paid for a few bombs in his time, when he wasn't volleying Yoko around his mansion.
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That pianist was disgusting.
The BBC loved it and replayed it a few times. Then a BBC reporter said they had discovered his name was 'Kunst'. I think they misspoke.

Another thing I observed that I found a little inappropriate was a response to the simple Facebook message that was going around saying saying 'Pray for Paris'. Less than 24 hours after the attacks I got something from the Charlie Hebdo artist Joann Sfar, forwarded via Billy Bragg (a left-wing folk singer from London) saying we don't need more religion, we need kisses and champagne.
Personally I thought generating that immediately after the shocking events was insensitive too. If I were a grieving friend or relative (I doubt I was be paying it much attention) but I don't think I would be in the mood for champagne and I certainly wouldn't want someone being opportunistic in this way.

http://nypost.com/2015/11/14/charlie...ray-for-paris/

Sure you can say what you think, no problem, but I there is a time and a place and I thought the timing could have been delayed.
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I can still remember around the time of Charlie Hebdo attacks my "moderate" Muslim extended family saying that of course they wouldn't kill anyone who insults the prophet, but if someone does... well, they had it coming. Hopefully these attacks will be a more effective catalyst for Muslim communities to fight extremist from within than the Charlie Hebdo attacks were, since there's nothing justifiable about them from any perspective.

ROFL, who am I kidding, they'll find some way to brand it a Zionist conspiracy.
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I can still remember around the time of Charlie Hebdo attacks my "moderate" Muslim extended family saying that of course they wouldn't kill anyone who insults the prophet, but if someone does... well, they had it coming. Hopefully these attacks will be a more effective catalyst for Muslim communities to fight extremist from within than the Charlie Hebdo attacks were, since there's nothing justifiable about them from any perspective.

ROFL, who am I kidding, they'll find some way to brand it a Zionist conspiracy.
Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
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Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
I call Godwin's law
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Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
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Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
... what on earth is the for? Perhaps one of the sickest posts ever on EF, truly.
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Interesting way of bringing the Mohammed caricatures back into the conversation?
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Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
Idefix, you're skating on very thin ice. If you cannot articulate your views without resorting to this sort of inflammatory language, you'll find yourself taking a short holiday from the forum.

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