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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Two of my Muslim friends, one Japanese-Pakistani born into the religion, one Italian converted to Islam, were very prompt in jumping on the "It's the fault of the West/of Hollande/of someone else/they had it coming" bandwagon. On the other hand, a Muslim colleague of mine from Lebanon was utterly disgusted and commented on those "ISIS parasites who should be exterminated" (his words, not mine).

The above are all educated folks with masters and PhDs, jobs, good lives. And yet, very different opinions.

I think that each one of us has an individual responsibility to be a peacemaker. Blaming "the other" for one's shortcomings is the easy way out, and no, whatever political idea, nothing can justify what happened in Paris.
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:22
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Idefix, you're skating on very thin ice. If you cannot articulate your views without resorting to this sort of inflammatory language, you'll find yourself taking a short holiday from the forum.
Does that include out "moderate Zionists"?
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I call Godwin's law
Interesting that. "Die anders Denkender" usually gets the short end of the stick. Thanks for the tip!
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:29
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Interesting that. "Die anders Denkender" usually gets the short end of the stick. Thanks for the tip!
absolutely.

Thee new version of Godwin's law would appear to be that the side that is "right" can invoke Hitler as much as they want but the side that is "wrong" can't.
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:30
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Idefix, you're skating on very thin ice. If you cannot articulate your views without resorting to this sort of inflammatory language, you'll find yourself taking a short holiday from the forum.
It's not the first time he crossed the line but probably the only one when he'll be on holiday...when will you actually start applying those rules whenever the situation occurs, Castro?
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:44
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Senior Muslim cleric urges anti-IS ideological battle

http://news.yahoo.com/senior-muslim-...162925693.html
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:49
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The Saudi regime is a brutal and crazy dictatorship, no better than that of Ghaddafi.

But they get away with it because they have the right friends.

Not only the Saudi
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:51
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The two countries with the largest Muslim populations; Indonesia and Bangladesh do not have blasphemy or apostasy punishable by death.
BTW stoning is banned in Afghanistan .
lol, I just read this.

Stoning happens anyway, whether legal or not. Just the fact that a law is needed to try to prevent it says a lot. Of course, in some countries, it's part of the religion:

"Article 102 – An adulterous man shall be buried in a ditch up to near his waist and an adulterous woman up to near her chest and then stoned to death.

Article 103 – In case the person sentenced to stoning escapes the ditch in which they are buried, then if the adultery is proven by testimony then they will be returned for the punishment but if it is proven by their own confession then they will not be returned.

Article 104 – The size of the stone used in stoning shall not be too large to kill the convict by one or two throws and at the same time shall not be too small to be called a stone."

-Islamic Penal Code of Iran, 2008
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Old 16.11.2015, 19:54
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If it were reflective of the views of people in the region you wouldn't have hundreds of thousands fleeing to get away from them.
They are fleeing war. If you want to get a perspective of religious views on the region, then ask them, like Pew Research did. There are vast amounts of people in the ME who favor Sharia Law (p.18). There's alot of hard-core religious views there. Easy recruitment for Islamic Extremists.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/0...ull-report.pdf
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Here's a long article that might help clarify some of our thinking. The typical ISIS member can quote the Koran chapter and verse, or else...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/
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Old 16.11.2015, 20:22
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Here's a long article that might help clarify some of our thinking. The typical ISIS member can quote the Koran chapter and verse, or else...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/
so does our friend pilatus1...
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Old 16.11.2015, 20:24
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Article 104 – The size of the stone used in stoning shall not be too large to kill the convict by one or two throws and at the same time shall not be too small to be called a stone."

-Islamic Penal Code of Iran, 2008
LOL, describing in detail the size of the stone to throw at people almost sounds Swiss, lol, or something from a Monty Python skit
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LOL, describing in detail the size of the stone to throw at people almost sounds Swiss, lol, or something from a Monty Python skit
In Life of Brian the stone vendor sells both rocks and packets of gravel. I guess gravel is outlawed in Iran for humanitarian reasons:

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Senior Muslim cleric urges anti-IS ideological battle

http://news.yahoo.com/senior-muslim-...162925693.html
He and even the President of Egypt will outright say there is an ideological problem, but as far as some denizens of EF, problem? What problem?
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Old 16.11.2015, 21:18
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In Life of Brian the stone vendor sells both rocks and packets of gravel. I guess gravel is outlawed in Iran for humanitarian reasons:
So there has been some humanitarian progress at least.
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Ah those moderate Muslims, sharing so many similarities with the moderate Nazis.
Speaking about moderate Muslims how about;
The Muslim security guard—who asked to be identified only by his first name, Zouheir — who frisked a customer at the entrance to the football stadium about 15 minutes into the game and discovered he was wearing an explosives vest.
There must be a God somewhere because the guard was not killed when the attacker then exploded the vest that was packed with explosives and bolts.
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So would you say the majority of people in the Middle East who follow Islam are scholars, or under-educated people who can be easily manipulated via religion?


I would say half of them are below average IQ and the other half above average IQ; that is what a mathematical average means
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What is it with the obsession with "Moderate Muslims"? Does it even exist? Obama spent $500M to train Moderate Syrians and came up with 4 or 5 soldiers. There is no Moderate to Extreme Muslim scale. I don't think even Muslims label themselves as such, and who is such labelling really for anyway?

I figure they are either very angry and trying to get payback, or they are simply cool. How about "Cool Muslim" instead?

Calling someone "moderate" is like calling someone "warmduscher".
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They are fleeing war. If you want to get a perspective of religious views on the region, then ask them, like Pew Research did. There are vast amounts of people in the ME who favor Sharia Law (p.18). There's alot of hard-core religious views there. Easy recruitment for Islamic Extremists.

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/0...ull-report.pdf
Please don't confuse us with facts. It's the west's fault and that's it.

Islam is a private matter for Arabs, it's so private that the majority of Egyptian voted for non-democratic Islamists parties when they had the chance, same for the Alegrians, Palestinians...

The fact the Arab middle east is the second least developed part of the world is, of course, also the west's fault.
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I would say half of them are below average IQ and the other half above average IQ; that is what a mathematical average means
No, that's a mathematical mean. Not the same thing.
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