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The story is three days old, and already very much in doubt.
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Here's some moderate Muslims at the Turkey vs Greece game tonight. Booing the minutes silence for the Paris attack and chanting Allahu Akbar.

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Oh thats great. I bet Merkel thought they will be able to sit this out and pretend to be innocent and angelic. They ought to make sure the Germans are at the front line of this.
Why? The plans were not conceived in Germany.
This is an treaty each member has signed and if one wants to be "protected" when the time comes one also has to do some dirty job. This is the principle on which NATO was founded and the reason so many countries were keen to join in, each having different reasons...
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Right and it would make lots of sense for ISIS to plant such a passport on a person and cut off their ready made gateway into Europe. Added to that a leftist government in France would just LOVE to release the identities of the two as yet unnamed suspects in the middle of an election cycle. Nice theory...

I see that Serbian authorities have caught ANOTHER person carrying a similar passport as your theoretical freedom fighter... which just goes to prove that at the very least the EU has NO clue who is letting stream into its heart... now don't you feel a lot more secure about what Merkel did ???
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Here's some moderate Muslims at the Turkey vs Greece game tonight. Booing the minutes silence for the Paris attack and chanting Allahu Akbar.

Bosnian Muslims did the same at the Ireland game last night - so much for your moderate Muslims deploring terrorism.

EDIT : http://www.thejournal.ie/aviva-stadi...48826-Nov2015/

DOUBLE EDIT : Ambulance filled with explosives found in Hannover outside a soccer game --- nice going Merkel...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/so...icle-1.2437889

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If all followers of Islam was asking this question ("What can we do to stop this madness?"), there would be no terror attacks anymore. 50k (or probably more) people who are batsh!t crazy and ready to kill for their religion is a very large number (way more than 40 Buddhist monks) and there are several million more hard-core Islamists who quietly support them.

I see the Middle East right now like the Southern US in the 1800's, where black people were often lynched, and it was quietly accepted. Not everyone there had the guts to kill another human in cold blood, but when it did happen, alot of people nodded quietly, or at minimum looked away. How and when did this change exactly? Did enough "moderate" Southerners stand up and say "this is wrong as has to stop"? Did a respected regional leader stand up and say publicly "This is wrong and has to stop?" What caused the reform? Could be an interesting case study....
About "batsh!t crazy and ready to kill for their religion is a very large number " it is a large number but if we take the worst case of 100K of such people then we are talking about one in every twenty thousand Islamists.

Compare this, for example, with the mental illness schizophrenia that currently afflicts around one in every hundred people. See you need to be careful when talking about mental illnesses.
I do not mean people with schizophrenia are bat crazy (although around half are not treated)
But it is not a big leap to say, for example, that some few of the people with untreated schizophrenia have severe conditions that could make them dangerous.
Compare this with the number of "Jihadists" and it does not look like such a large number any more.

If we compare this number of one in twenty thousand with some other rare events then;
the chance of being struck by lightning in a lifetime is 1 in 12,000 so it is could be more Islamists will be struck by lightning than join ISIS.

Or (apparently) your chances of being killed by a firearm in the USA is 1 in 325 ( I find it hard to believe but the god Google says so!)

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Bosnian Muslims did the same at the Ireland game last night - so much for your moderate Muslims deploring terrorism.

EDIT : http://www.thejournal.ie/aviva-stadi...48826-Nov2015/
How do you imagine that football fans are moderate Muslims?

I was born in England, I lived with walking distance of a football stadium and learnt to avoid football fans at an early age
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How do you imagine that football fans are moderate Muslims?
Especially Turkish National fans
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How do you imagine that football fans are moderate Muslims?
Again with the tiny minority bullshit ehh ??? Let's see you have a go at the stats I posted today on the Pew institute study which showed hundreds of millions of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy.

I see that the security alert has been now extended to the ENTIRE CITY OF HANNOVER and another suspicious device found at the train station :

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Speaking at a press conference, the police chief said people in city should go home and avoid large groups.

When the authorities cannot ensure safety in a controlled environment like a stadium, how are they going to manage open events like christmas markts and silvester parties and frei markts.
Well now... hopefully this will spell the end of Merkel and the bs.
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.....and another Jihadist group will take their place. The ideology has to be attacked and defeated.
How?

Just came across with this article. Why did he choose to lose his life like that at only 20???? Let alone taking others with him, you get the point. It is beyond my understanding.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lal-Hadfi.html

This reminds me of other ideologies - fascism or communism -, no one really thought that silliness would spread like that and for so long (at least in the second case) but they did.
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Bosnian Muslims did the same at the Ireland game last night - so much for your moderate Muslims deploring terrorism.

DOUBLE EDIT : Ambulance filled with explosives found in Hannover outside a soccer game --- nice going Merkel...
Wait, what happened to the World Unity hour? Oh, I think I understand the intended neuro-linguistic programming now. We acquiesce so terrorists gain. Sneaky, that insidious PC thing. Had me going for a moment. LOL, what was I thinking.
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How do you imagine that football fans are moderate Muslims?

I was born in England, I lived with walking distance of a football stadium and learnt to avoid football fans at an early age
How about this one :

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwel...erstecken.html

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Ein Drittel aller arabischsprachigen Tweets, die in Belgien zum Thema IS verfasst wurden, haben einen positiven Tenor. Damit liegt der deutsche Nachbar gleich hinter Katar und Pakistan auf dem dritten Platz dieses verräterischen Rankings. Im Golf-Emirat Katar ist jede zweite über Twitter verschickte Kurznachricht zum Thema IS wohlwollend, in Pakistan sind es 35 Prozent.
To translate that one third of ALL Arabic tweets in Belgium supports ISIS.

Similarly :


So let's not be bullshitting ourselves or anyone else that this is a tiny minority anymore.
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About "batsh!t crazy and ready to kill for their religion is a very large number " it is a large number but if we take the worst case of 100K of such people then we are talking about one in every twenty thousand Islamists....
Using such numerical proportions is a red herring. You only need a small cadre of extremist to rule, while the vast majority of passive "moderates" are coopted for their purpose.

A more useful analysis is determining the existence of extremists, the size of the neutral "moderates", and the propensity of that society to follow an authoritarian and dictatorial path.
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How about this one :


To translate that one third of ALL Arabic tweets in Belgium supports ISIS.

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So let's not be bullshitting ourselves or anyone else that this is a tiny minority anymore.
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Or 1/3 of the Arabic language Tweets in Belgium on the topic of ISIS have a positive tenor. Is it not possible that the majority of the muslims living in Belgium need to get to work, don't give a shit about ISIS and maybe don't have time to Twitter their disapproval?
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Or 1/3 of the Arabic language Tweets in Belgium on the topic of ISIS have a positive tenor. Is it not possible that the majority of the muslims living in Belgium need to get to work, don't give a shit about ISIS and maybe don't have time to Twitter their disapproval?
Possible but my company - amongst others - use Twitter for exactly that - to assess the positive or negative sentiment a group of people have about something. Why should ISIS be any different ?

Allied to that if I was an immigrant (I am) and felt strongly that a bunch of scumbags were destroying the good name of my community you can bet your arse I would be tearing them apart on social media and anywhere else I could find them.
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Possible but my company - amongst others - use Twitter for exactly that - to assess the positive or negative sentiment a group of people have about something. Why should ISIS be any different ?

Allied to that if I was an immigrant (I am) and felt strongly that a bunch of scumbags were destroying the good name of my community you can bet your arse I would be tearing them apart on social media and anywhere else I could find them.
So, in other words you're basically inferring that: "Worldwide, a majority of arabic speaking people Tweet and, more or less, 25% of these people support ISIS."
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Again with the tiny minority bullshit ehh ??? Let's see you have a go at the stats I posted today on the Pew institute study which showed hundreds of millions of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy.

I see that the security alert has been now extended to the ENTIRE CITY OF HANNOVER and another suspicious device found at the train station :



Well now... hopefully this will spell the end of Merkel and the bs.

About "Again with the tiny minority bullshit ehh " Well no actually I was disagreeing that Middle East football fans are moderate Muslims.
Please reply to my actual words, not what you imagined or wish that I wrote.


I assume you do not know a lot about football fans in the Middle East? For example, "1 February 2012, a massive riot occurred at Port Said Stadium in Port Said, Egypt, following an Egyptian Premier League football match between El Masry and El Ahly. 74 people were killed and more than 500 were injured after thousands of El Masry spectators stormed the stadium stands and the pitch, following a 3–1 victory by El Masry, and violently attacked El Ahly fans using knives, swords, clubs, stones, bottles, and fireworks as weapons.[1][2][3]
73 defendants, including 9 police officers and 2 officials from Port Said’s Al-Masry club, were charged in the aftermath of the riots. As of August 2015, 11 defendants have been sentenced to death"


You think these are moderate Muslims?? After just one football match they killed more than 50% of the number of Paris victims and with a similar number of injured.
In May this year the Cairo Court for Urgent Affairs issued a verdict banning the activities of all hardcore football fan groups known as Ultras across the country and declaring them terrorist organizations.
You really really think these are moderate Muslims?


Or "In Feb this year, Egypt has suspended its football league and ordered an investigation after at least 40 people were killed and dozens injured in a stampede and clashes between police and supporters of Zamalek football club at a game in Cairo, officials said."


Please explain why you believe there is a link between apostasy and terrorism? Apostasy is defined as "the formal disaffiliation from, or abandonment or renunciation of a religion by a person" so here we are talking about Muslims who have renounced Islam.
Or do you believe the terrorists check their victims and only kill ex-Muslims??
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Using such numerical proportions is a red herring. You only need a small cadre of extremist to rule, while the vast majority of passive "moderates" are coopted for their purpose.

A more useful analysis is determining the existence of extremists, the size of the neutral "moderates", and the propensity of that society to follow an authoritarian and dictatorial path.


Facts are not red herrings!
Whereas your opinions without quoting facts........
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Again with the tiny minority bullshit ehh ??? Let's see you have a go at the stats I posted today on the Pew institute study which showed hundreds of millions of Muslims support the death penalty for apostasy.

I see that the security alert has been now extended to the ENTIRE CITY OF HANNOVER and another suspicious device found at the train station :


Well now... hopefully this will spell the end of Merkel and the bs.
About "Let's see you have a go at the stats I posted today on the Pew institute study "
This will be the Pew Institute who shortly before the storming AKP success in the November Turkish parliament voting published "Poll released by the Pew research centre on Oct. 14th claims "51% Turks Hold Negative View of Erdogan" compared to 34% two years ago. "
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