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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

http://abc7.com/society/muslims-spea...tacks/1086310/

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However they will be covering major events. Don't see a newspaper much these days, but iirc TV news coverage of the cartoon protests was widespread over all the channels. Doesn't seem to be any of similar large protests against ISIS so they're either not happening or for some reason TV doesn't see them as important enough to cover.
Oh but they are, for example look how they interrupted and shouted during the minute silence for the Paris victims. Some reports say they were screaming Allakhuuu Akhbaaar.



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Write this on Google and see all the news about it.

muslims protest against isis
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I am a Muslim. Not moderate, not extreme...just Muslim. Born Muslim. I didn't speak out against or for the Paris attacks.
Are you against the Muslim violence against the non-believers?
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Are you against the Muslim violence against the non-believers?
What kind of stupid question is that?? (Question is stupid, not the guy who asks it mods)

Of course he is against it.
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Are you against the Muslim violence against the non-believers?
He once bought a Playstation game from me, based on the Christian version of Hell.

Not sure this is relevant in any way, but then again, not sure your question is either.
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There will never be a functioning system until the separation of church and state. Syria (as a government) may be somewhat secular and have freedom of religion, but it is kind of a facade.
I think it has now come to this solution. Dash all hopes of any religion ever taking over any government, so religion could not be politicised, if that religion ever expects to be respected and allowed. I never thought I would ever agree with this, but I do now.

ANY religious group advocating violence and murder should not be considered religious, and protected by civil rights. It should be considered a criminal organization.
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He once bought a Playstation game from me, based on the Christian version of Hell.

Not sure this is relevant in any way, but then again, not sure your question is either.
He is neither against or for violence against non-believers. I find that very confusing? I guess he doesn't want to go against the Qoran, which calls for fighting against the non-believers?
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He is neither against or for violence against non-believers. I find that very confusing? I guess he doesn't want to go against the Qoran, which calls for fighting against the non-believers?
The Importance of Context

The word ‘context’ has two dictionary meanings:

• The parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.

• The set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Any discussion on Qur’anic verses that refer to violence would be meaningless, without a study of the surrounding context

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We need discussion, discourse, debate - not fluffyheaded two way ego rubs. This just makes people feel a little better about themselves without addressing any real issues.
True to some extent but he does ask whether people trust Muslims. That to me is a big issue because when people are scared of something they tend not to trust and that is then when you will get divisions which can lead to hostility.

Ask me if I trust Muslims and I can honestly say yes, 100%, no need to hug anyone then to prove it, just a handshake (with males) will do for me (I'm not the touchy feely type anyway).
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Old 19.11.2015, 15:00
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Good news: the mastermind behind the Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, has been killed yesterday during the St-Denis raid. The body has been officially identified according to the prosecutor François Molins.
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No, I would hope to see news reports/pictures of thousands of them on the streets in protest as happened with the cartoons.
Ironic that the response to expressions of opinion is violence, while the response to violence is expressions of opinion.

The reaction to free speech, denigrations of Islam through art, are a LOT more rabid than simply holding signs up. It has led to the:
-Ransacking of the US Embassy in Benghazi
-The Charlie Hebdo massacre
-The murder of Theo van Gogh
-Death sentence for Salman Rashdie
-Deaths through riots
-etc?

Clearly, reactions to questioning the faith is magnitudes more violent than reactions to massacring for the faith. Yet the violence is doing a lot more damage to Islam then the free speech.
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How can you honestly say you trust Muslims 100%. What a ridiculous statement. In the same way saying you trust Christians 100%, or football fans 100%. There are wrong'uns in every group and trust should be earned on an individual bases, otherwise you are judging a whole group of people by one characteristic...I'm sure there's a word for that...err, it will come to me...


Re: the death of the leader of the Paris terror cell. I'm not in any way religious, but anyone celebrating the death of anyone else, no matter how evil they are perceived to be, gets a big thumbs down in my book.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

How's that good news?

Good news would have been that he was captured, and currently in the hands of the CIA being interrogated helping with their inquiries.

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Re: the death of the leader of the Paris terror cell. I'm not in any way religious, but anyone celebrating the death of anyone else, no matter how evil they are perceived to be, gets a big thumbs down in my book.
What is wrong with being happy that the person who organised the Paris terror attacks has met his untimely end? I'm personally not Buddhist, I don't believe all life is sacred simply just because it's alive, and I do believe that world will be a better place for his death. I'm pleased he has snuffed it.

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Good news would have been that he was captured, and currently in the hands of the CIA being interrogated helping with their inquiries.

Tom
this would have been the other preferable outcome if was "persuaded" to reveal other cells and leaders. However, I'll settle for the current state of affairs.
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What is wrong with being happy that the person who organised the Paris terror attacks has met his untimely end?
Each to their own.


I tend to see it as a tragedy that a man born and brought up in a moderate, civilised country such as Belgium, has eschewed the values that he should have grown up with, and due to extreme disenfranchisement, has allowed himself to be radicalised by the prospect of a better life. This shouldn't be happening.


Therefore, upon hearing of him being blown into 1000 pieces, I didn't do a jig of joy, I thought about what a tragedy it was the way his life went, which ultimately led to a citywide massacre and global fear. It didn't have to be this way.
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I tend to see it as a tragedy that a man born and brought up in a moderate, civilised country such as Belgium, has eschewed the values that he should have grown up with, and due to extreme disenfranchisement, has allowed himself to be radicalised by the prospect of a better life. This shouldn't be happening.


Therefore, upon hearing of him being blown into 1000 pieces, I didn't do a jig of joy, I thought about what a tragedy it was the way his life went, which ultimately led to a citywide massacre and global fear. It didn't have to be this way.
I didn't do a jig of joy, I'm just on some level pleased and satisfied that he met his end after the acts he orchestrated.

Of course thinking objectively it's a shame he turned out that way, but he made his choice and decided to tread the path of terrorism and murder. Many people are disenfranchised and choose not to commit those acts.

I have zero sympathy or empathy for the guy.
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I didn't do a jig of joy, I'm just on some level pleased and satisfied that he met his end after the acts he orchestrated.

Of course thinking objectively it's a shame he turned out that way, but he made his choice and decided to tread the path of terrorism and murder. Many people are disenfranchised and choose not to commit those acts.

I have zero sympathy or empathy for the guy.
I am pleased he won't be orchestrating any more attacks, I can agree with you on that.

In my opinion the problem with your reasoning however, is that killing him makes any difference at all. There will always be someone to replace him, until we address the route cause.

Answering violence with violence will never address the route cause.
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True to some extent but he does ask whether people trust Muslims. That to me is a big issue because when people are scared of something they tend not to trust and that is then when you will get divisions which can lead to hostility.

Ask me if I trust Muslims and I can honestly say yes, 100%, no need to hug anyone then to prove it, just a handshake (with males) will do for me (I'm not the touchy feely type anyway).
I agree I was a little harsh in my comment. One cannot claim to know what was going on in his or the hug-recipient people's minds. This could be part of his personal strategy for fighting ISIS' aim of splitting society, a way of showing them that they will not be able to divide society on religious terms. And there's nothing wrong with a nice hug...
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DOA. You still need to deal with its symptoms and manifestations, until you deal with the root cause.

France is about to host a climate conference. While I would have been glad for them to call if off altogether, France needs to return to normal activities.

Hollande asked for a 3 month state of emergency.
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