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Get a grip Rich. ISIS is not Islam, its a satanic death cult who've mainly killed Muslims so far. Just 2 days ago in Beirut there were 43 people killed by these animals and hundreds more tortured and killed on a weekly basis across the Levant.

Why aren't we impeaching our leaders for creating this anarchy and chaos by overturning legitimate governments, leaving us to deal with the consequences in or towns and cities from events which we neither fully understand nor support?
I have a grip. So do Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher and they took their debates for Islam being a religion of violence in front of millions and did a pretty good job of it.

As for impeaching our leaders, we could, but how would that help us fight ISIS now?
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Put the murderers on trial not shoot them without the democratic process of a civillized justice system (in other words stop copying them).
All Paris terrorists wore explosive belts, and seven out of the eight that were caught committed suicide before there was any chance of arresting them. I'm sorry, but these are not the sort of guys with whom you can negotiate.
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Get a grip Rich. ISIS is not Islam, its a satanic death cult who've mainly killed Muslims so far and who have literally no support amongst mainstream Muslims. Just 2 days ago in Beirut there were 43 people killed by these animals and hundreds more tortured and killed on a weekly basis across the Levant.

Why aren't we impeaching our leaders for creating this anarchy and chaos by overturning legitimate governments, and leaving us to deal with the consequences in or towns and cities 000s of KM away from events which we neither fully understand nor support?
He won't listen, he'll just bag it up as 'Islamic' behaviour even though I don't totally agree with how your explaining this...

The second part though is spot on, that is what we need to address in terms of diplomacy.

Richdog by the way has groaned me stupid and repped me really bad because of my 'freedom of expression' on here, but then he's not the only one these days who (especially on this thread) are being given a reason to reveal their racist leanings against Islam and Muslims.
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I have a grip. So do Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher and they took their debates for Islam being a religion of violence in front of millions and did a pretty good job of it.
There was a pretty comprehensive Oxford Union Debate on this topic, with the motion 'This house believes Islam is a religion of peace' and it was carried by a majority vote. The debate took place the day after the Woolwich murder of Lee Rigby so it couldn't have been any more highly charged.

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He won't listen, he'll just bag it up as 'Islamic behaviour even though I don't totally agree with how your explaining this...

The second part though is spot on, that is what we need to address in terms of diplomacy.

Richdog by the way has groaned me stupid and repped me really bad because of my 'freedom of expression' on here, but then he's not the only one these days who (especially on this thread) are being given a reason to reveal their racist leanings against Islam and Muslims.
Please stop the racism spiel, it's such an easy cop out argument from people who have nothing else to add to a debate. My attitude towards Islam as a belief system has nothing to do with race, never has, and never will.
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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Guys, you are forgetting that ISIS has a plan for taking up half of the world.

See this: http://www.refiningtruth.com/isis-ma.../#.Vkb_fEslSeE

You can't domesticate snakes and hope they won't bite you. One day, one of them eventually, will.

The answer to this mounting problem is retaliation.
I wonder how many WTCs and Bataclans wil take for the world to realize that.
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Hollande reported as "visibly shaken" - hope he and his party and Merckel realise this is THEIR fault.

And Obama saying they stand with France - where were/are they on Greece this summer ???? Give them cash no matter what they did wasn't it ??? Pathetic !
So is this what Merkel's idea of bringing Syria to Europe looks like? An ever closer union with the rest of the wonderful world. Feel the unity yet? Thanks Merkel!

On the same day Obama declared ISIS "contained", he later then declared this was an attack on our shared values. Well, he would know, as he and other government leaders maintain the architecture for these things. Thanks Obama!

Not enough information to ascertain who was responsible, but plenty of evidence who has been irresponsible.

Welcome to the new normal in the dithering West.
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They're at it again! Now I have bad rep from Krlock3 although he doesn't feel the need to comment at all on this thread so you know, there is surely a 'secret' group operating behind the forum facade...please liberal minded people see those scales on the top right of the post, please give me good rep or the fascists will win and I will retire as I have lost all my good rep in a day for an alternative view.
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They're at it again! Now I have bad rep from Krlock although he doesn't feel the need to comment at all on here so you know, there is surely a 'secret' group operating behind the forum facade...
Goodness grief, you really are a "special case" aren't you?

Publicising every neg rep as though it's some kind of conspiracy? Newflash, people will neg rep you when they think you are talking ****, it happens to me too but I don't go crying about it, in fact taking into consideration who gives me the rep I usually take it as a good sign that I'm not thinking along the same lines as them.
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If you ask any Muslim how ISIS should be tackled, the answer would invariably be the same. Stop creating and funding these mercenaries to fight your proxy wars, because history shows time and again that they will turn on the hand that feeds them (Al-Qaeda being the poster child).
I really wish it were true that any Muslim would answer as you say, but far too many answer by joining or supporting them. These are personal decisions they make, and can't really be attributed to Western government programs.
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Goodness grief, you really are a "special case" aren't you?

Publicising every neg rep as though it's some kind of conspiracy? Newflash, people will neg rep you when they think you are talking ****, it happens to me too but I don't go crying about it, in fact taking into consideration who gives me the rep I usually take it as a good sign that I'm not thinking along the same lines as them.
OK I'll let you off this time if you weren't in contact with him but the ganging up has happened to many on here including me...I can prove it if you want by snapshotting ..there are some real w***ers on here...including Krlock3 who didn't even post anything!
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OK I'll let you off this time if you weren't in contact with him but the ganging up has happened to many on here including me...I can prove it if you want by snapshotting ..there are some real wankers on here...
Ganging up is not the same thing as multiple people disagreeing with you. If a person talks rubbish on a regular basis that, that will generally happen regardless.

Your attitude is the age-old "everyone is against me and I said or did nothing wrong" routine, played out many times before on the forum and likely to be seen many times in future. Grow up.
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Ganging up is not the same thing as multiple people disagreeing with you. If a person talks rubbish on a regular basis that, that will generally happen regardless.

Your attitude is the age-old "everyone is against me and I said or did nothing wrong" routine, played out many times before on the forum and likely to be seen many times in future. Grow up.
Well, at least you're sounding a little bit more liberal now rather than your usual diatribe...
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Well, at least you're sounding a little bit more liberal now rather than your usual diatribe...
With all due respect you know zero about me. I am pure centre-line, which means that I can be equally left and right depending on the situation and topic and I form my own objective opinions. I firmly believe that anyone who is fully left-wing or fully right-wing has no balance of character, and that everything has to be assessed and decided upon independently.

Religion happens to be one of those things I feel very strongly about and that I have formed a highly negative view of over the years, especially those of an inherently invasive and repressive nature.

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Re: Shootings and the explosions in Paris

Anthony1406, bigfujitsu, Castro, FrankZappa, FuriousRose, Helm, MidfieldGeneral, mkhisg, MrVertigo, Nil - you must be blind.... Between fascists there were good people too! And now you can tell where did it lead Europe to. Same thing with islam - there are good people too only religion this encourages violence and xenophobism :/ You would change your tune very very quickly if it was you sister/mother/father/brother/friend who died yesterday in Paris :/
Europe needs to tighten its borders and I'm sorry but if an emigrant is muslim he/she should be subjected to additional background checks before admitting to Europe. Same thing about European citizens who passed over to islam and left for Iraq Syria and other ISIS/muslims controlled territories.

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Especially this, total racist rubbish!
Expressing a strong dislike for Islam is not racist.
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Negotiate with terrorists who want to commit genocide and form an Islamic State? Really?
Andrew White "Bishop of Baghdad" has said that he'll sit down and talk with anyone. However, his experience with ISIS is that it is a fundamentally evil creed, and there is no negotiating. There can only be war.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...-a6716616.html

There used to be 1.5 million Christians in Iraq but now there are only 260,000, he says. Some are calling it genocide. Surely he no longer believes that negotiations with Isis could work? White stares at me from behind owlish spectacles. “Can I be honest? You are absolutely right. You can’t negotiate with them. I have never said that about another group of people. These are really so different, so extreme, so radical, so evil.”

But surely there is only one logical conclusion to be drawn? He sighs, and answers slowly. “You are asking me how we can deal radically with Isis. The only answer is to radically destroy them. I don’t think we can do it by dropping bombs. We have got to bring about real change. It is a terrible thing to say as a priest.

“You’re probably thinking, ‘So you’re telling me there should be war?’ Yes!”

I am shocked by his answer, because this is a man who has risked his life many times to bring peace.

“It really hurts. I have tried so hard. I will do anything to save life and bring about tranquillity, and here I am forced by death and destruction to say there should be war.”
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I think that terrorist attacks will sadly become the "new normal" in Europe

This year alone Germany's "open border" policy has let in estimated 1 million people from middle eastern countries, 70% of whom are young males, and coming without passports, background checks, etc. to determine if they have any terrorist background or affiliations. I'm sure most are just economic migrants or refugees looking for a better life, but still even if a small percentage are open to radicalized versions of Islam, 10% of 1 million is 100,000 people, it's going to be a big security problem for Germany and EU at large. I wonder if Germany/EU will alter any immigration policies, or continue to allow the stream of people from the ME continue unabated and without any types of control?
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I think that terrorist attacks will sadly become the "new normal" in Europe

This year alone Germany's "open border" policy has let in estimated 1 million people from middle eastern countries, 70% of whom are young males, and coming without passports, background checks, etc. to determine if they have any terrorist background or affiliations. I'm sure most are just economic migrants or refugees looking for a better life, but still even if a small percentage are open to radicalized versions of Islam, 10% of 1 million is 100,000 people, it's going to be a big security problem for Germany and EU at large. I wonder if Germany/EU will alter any immigration policies, or continue to allow the stream of people from the ME continue unabated and without any types of control?
Not just for the EU, - it is also a massive ongoing security problem for Switzerland too, since we were blindly signed up to this loopy Schengen scheme! Nowhere is exactly 'safe' nowadays!

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Not just for the EU, - it is also a massive ongoing security problem for Switzerland too, since we were blindly signed up to this loopy Schengen scheme!
I don't see any future in Schengen in it's original form. Since the migration routes from Turkey to Germany have been "legitimized" this year, ie: countries allowing transit of migrants destined for Germany, Schengen has been "suspended", "frozen", etc, by a number of countries. I'm sure we'll start seeing more and more countries "suspending" Schengen, and either it will have to be be re-worked or scrapped all together.
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I don't see any future in Schengen in it's original form. Since the migration routes from Turkey to Germany have been "legitimized" this year, ie: countries allowing transit of migrants destined for Germany, Schengen has been "suspended", "frozen", etc, by a number of countries. I'm sure we'll start seeing more and more countries "suspending" Schengen, and either it will have to be be re-worked or scrapped all together.
Let's not let the extreme nationalistic feelings erupt in Europe too. From one problem into another - it is what ISIS want! Shake Europe, destabilize it internally. Schengen should be tightened against non-europeans. It has been long time since the borders outposts of EU stopped receiving enough money to maintain good grip on the immigration :/
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