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Old 12.04.2018, 17:19
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I agree that we cannot correctly guess what all people would think about an issue, it's impossible.

That being said, I can't really see the logic or reasoning behind the idea that even semi-pious Muslims who actually believe in Islam would be in favour of any restrictions that go against their faith. Why would they?
If not hand shaking is such a big deal for Muslims how come there was only one Swiss newspaper report about a refusal to shake hands?
There are ca. half million Muslims here.

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said there was no religious justification for refusing to shake a female teacher's hand and urged the Swiss not to give in to extremist demands.
But one Islamic organisation said a handshake between men and women was prohibited.

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The family of the two teenagers, who refused to shake their female teachers’ hands for religious reasons, have had their application for citizenship suspended.

So the question about what happens in cities with a majority Muslim population is answered by; they will never get citizenship due to their lack of integration so will never get a vote and therefore nothing happens!
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So the question about what happens in cities with a majority Muslim population is answered by; they will never get citizenship due to their lack of integration so will never get a vote and therefore nothing happens!
I just used CH as an example, it will be fine for a long time - mostly because they don't pander to other cultures, they expect people to fit in and they make people earn their citizenship.

Other countries could learn a lot from CH.
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Old 13.04.2018, 16:33
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I would say a better analogy would be a ruling that stops Christians from practising their faith as they see fit and then guess whether semi-pious Christians would be for or against it.
Yes, perhaps an interesting question, although you've failed to show anywhere that Muslims are being stopped from practising their faith, so it's not really relevant to the discussion.

You've tried to show that some things that Islam doesn't forbid are disallowed in 'the West', but not that they're being prevented from doing anything that their religion specifically requires.

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By the same logic, no even semi-pious Catholics use artificial birth control.
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Old 13.04.2018, 18:10
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I just used CH as an example, it will be fine for a long time - mostly because they don't pander to other cultures, they expect people to fit in and they make people earn their citizenship.

Other countries could learn a lot from CH.
In the UK amongst other requirements you have to take a formal examination to show you understand the UK as described in an official book "Life in the United Kingdom, A Guide For New Residents"

You also have to show you are of good character; you must have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled your duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.
Checks will be carried out to ensure that the information you give is correct.
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Old 13.04.2018, 21:56
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In the UK amongst other requirements you have to take a formal examination to show you understand the UK as described in an official book "Life in the United Kingdom, A Guide For New Residents"
And it's a difficult test. This is the first one I've passed, having failed 3 others in previous years

https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle...-a3708696.html
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In the UK amongst other requirements you have to take a formal examination to show you understand the UK as described in an official book "Life in the United Kingdom, A Guide For New Residents"

You also have to show you are of good character; you must have shown respect for the rights and freedoms of the UK, observed its laws and fulfilled your duties and obligations as a resident of the UK.
Checks will be carried out to ensure that the information you give is correct.
Also known as 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted'
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Old 14.04.2018, 02:08
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Also known as 'closing the stable door after the horse has bolted'
Perhaps you could explain your rather strange comment?
"Checks will be carried out to ensure that the information you give is correct.", these checks are prior to granting citizenship?
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Perhaps you could explain your rather strange comment?
"Checks will be carried out to ensure that the information you give is correct.", these checks are prior to granting citizenship?
I said about Switzerland "they don't pander to other cultures, they expect people to fit in and they make people earn their citizenship"

For some reason you then started talking about the UK. Freudian slip?
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Old 14.04.2018, 13:16
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Somebody should change this thread's title. What Muslims? I think we keep mixing up a lot of things here. Are we talking about cultures, refugees or Muslim immigrants from all over the world? All conflated in a single thread?
European Muslims are all right and are here to stay. Whatever some other people choose to do in the Middle East or Pakistan or Indonesia is their business! Their cultures, their mentality, their way of living.

I don't know which other title would be better, but this sounds like a joke. Or very provocative....to say the least.

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Somebody should change this thread's title. What Muslims? I think we keep mixing up a lot of things here. Are we talking about cultures, refugees or Muslim immigrants from all over the world? All conflated in a single thread?
I guess that’s because all the other migrant/refugee threads got closed.
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Old 16.04.2018, 08:58
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I guess that’s because all the other migrant/refugee threads got closed.
I'm not sure what was left to say about it. This is a thread I'd like to see closed because the motives of splitting another thread and naming this part like this were very questionable from the very beginning. Almost like a trollish "newbie"'s kind of threads.
If it was after me, same would happen to "A shooting happened.........", "Will Trump....." the Brexit gazillions of threads are nauseating too, considering the amount of wild enthusiasm and understanding for the poor voters was in the beginning "Yay for Brexit, hurray!!!!"....and now people want to reconsider and reconcile...really? etc etc etc But but what Medea Fleaceslister will do if she's not reporting us all the atrocities that have happened lately, and pronto? How would we live without that knowledge?
But each to their own, enjoy whatever you find....interesting..! I only hope you'll not feel like you wasted your time here.
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Old 16.04.2018, 10:12
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I said about Switzerland "they don't pander to other cultures, they expect people to fit in and they make people earn their citizenship"

For some reason you then started talking about the UK. Freudian slip?
The title of this thread is "All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)".
Did you notice the word "Europe"? I was on topic.
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Old 20.04.2018, 11:49
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My dear Pashosh, if somebody lies extensively about their background and makes a fortune milking the right-wing lecture circuit then I think they rather discredit themselves.

See also Majid Nawaaz
Nawaz and the entire list from the humourously titled “Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists” have been quietly removed from the Southern Poverty Law Center's website under legal threat

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Nawaz — informed by his experience as a former member of a global terror organization and a political prisoner in Egypt — routinely criticizes the fundamentalist interpretation of Islam that gives rise to terrorism. As a result of that work, the SPLC and a coalition of partner organizations that helped create the list accused him of “savaging Islam.”

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born liberal feminist who fled her home country amid civil war and now works at the Hoover Institution, was also branded an “anti-Muslim extremist” by the SPLC.
Like Nawaz, Ali routinely criticizes inhumane practices that are common in majority-Muslim countries, including female genital mutilation, which she herself was subjected to before fleeing Somalia. The report branded her discussion of such topics “toxic.”
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Get back tae work youse...
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Meanwhile in Italy:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44237095

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Old 24.05.2018, 18:08
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Wrong thread. Have not read the word muslim once in that article.

Does not make the incident less horrid. With family like this, who needs enemies!
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Wrong thread. Have not read the word muslim once in that article.
Poorly English redacted BBC article.

Much more info in Italian:

"lei, musulmana, e il fidanzato che si professa cristiano"

"she, muslim, and the christian boyfriend"

https://corrieredelveneto.corriere.i...6128d8ed.shtml

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Poorly English redacted BBC article.

Much more info in Italian:

"lei, musulmana, e il fidanzato che si professa cristiano"

"she, muslim, and the christian boyfriend"

https://corrieredelveneto.corriere.i...6128d8ed.shtml

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The BBC is generally very sparing with this type of information.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Wrong thread. Have not read the word muslim once in that article.

Does not make the incident less horrid. With family like this, who needs enemies!
It's BBC!
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Nigerian lads not long in Ireland being drug dealers and beating up members of the local police with baseball bats

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The violent scenes began at 7.30pm when gardai attached to the local drugs unit attempted to search a known criminal on the Ballyogan estate.

However, the suspect fled and ran into a nearby property in Ballyogan Avenue. As a garda attempted to arrest the suspect, the door of the house was slammed shut.

Moments later, two teenagers emerged with a male in his 50s who was armed with a black metal baseball bat.

The garda was struck at least three times around the head, face and body as a large mob arrived at the scene and tried to assault the injured officer and his female colleague.

Unarmed assistance arrived a short time later, but gardai were forced to retreat due to the size and viciousness of the hostile mob.
Not a word of it on our state run broadcaster of course...
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