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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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It was an update on the ongoing story!

Besides, I figured you'd want to hear the good news.
Why don’t you give us a synopsis and an opinion? Your article is worthy of a good discussion.

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Look away now if you don't want to see a Muslim good news story!

Making his own rules: day in the life of Sheffield's youngest ever lord mayor - video
Magid Magid's 'crazy' journey from Somali refugee to Sheffield's first Muslim Lord Mayor - video

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"Magid Magid is the 122nd Lord Mayor of Sheffield. Magid came to Sheffield aged 5 with his family from Somalia where they made Sheffield their home.

After a year out travelling around the world, Magid went to the University of Hull where he studied Aquatic Zoology. At University Magid played an active role and became involved in all aspects of University. He founded and led the University of Hull’s MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) Club where he was given his fight name ‘Magic Magid the Submission Magician’. He was also heavily involved in his Students Union and this is where he found his love for activism which led him to be elected as the President of his Students Union. Magid has a wide pallet of experience from running his own digital marketing business, working for the housing charity Shelter to being self-employed. As well as being an anti-racism social justice campaigner, Magid wanted to play a more active role in his community and decided to stand as a Green Party Councillor for the ward ‘Broomhill & Sharrow Vale’ where he got elected in 2016.

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Thousands of far-right thugs took to the streets of London to protest the lawful incarceration of anti-Muslim hate preacher Tommy Robinson.

They hurled projectiles at police, gave Nazi salutes, and assaulted passerbys.

But here's the headline to the Daily Mail:

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

A German Muslim scholar was asked on a live TV show about terrorism and Islam. He said:

Who started the First World War? Was it Muslims?
Who started the Second World War? Was it Muslims?
Who killed about 20 million Aborigines in Australia? Was it Muslims?
Who sent the nuclear bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 100 million Indians in North America? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 50 million Indians in South America? Was it Muslims?
Who took about 180 million of African people as slaves, of whom 88% died and thrown in the Atlantic? Was it Muslims?

No, they weren’t Muslims! First, you have to define terrorism properly. If a non-Muslim does something bad, it is a crime. But if a Muslim commits the same act, he is a terrorist.

First remove this double standard, and then come to the point!
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Thousands of far-right thugs took to the streets of London to protest the lawful incarceration of anti-Muslim hate preacher Tommy Robinson.

They hurled projectiles at police, gave Nazi salutes, and assaulted passerbys.

But here's the headline to the Daily Mail:
Gotta love the Daily Fail.

Hopefully now they've got rid of the Gammon Overlord, Dacre, they can clean up their journalism a bit.
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Old 14.06.2018, 14:10
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Thousands of far-right thugs took to the streets of London to protest the lawful incarceration of anti-Muslim hate preacher Tommy Robinson.

They hurled projectiles at police, gave Nazi salutes, and assaulted passerbys.

But here's the headline to the Daily Mail:
The Tommy Robinson case is indeed interesting with several journalists providing a lot more background than your biased bit above :

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Tommy Robinson is a British political activist and “citizen journalist” who came to prominence in Britain almost a decade ago when he founded the English Defence League. The EDL was a street-protest movement in Britain whose aims could probably best be summarized as “anti-Islamization.” It emerged in the town of Luton after a group of local Islamists barracked the homecoming parade of a local regiment returning from service in Afghanistan.

I interviewed Tommy Robinson five years ago, after he had left the EDL (having by his own admission failed to keep extremists including actual neo-Nazis away from the movement). As he said then, one of the problems of everyone insisting that a particular movement is campaigning for the Fourth Reich is that the few people who think that sounds like a great idea will show up. Whatever his other faults, there is no evidence that Robinson thinks that way. Indeed he was once charged with assault for head-butting a Nazi sympathizer who wouldn’t leave an EDL protest. Not many people bothered with those details. The assault got reported, but not the cause. So the fact that Robinson had head-butted a Nazi became yet more evidence that he himself must be some kind of Nazi.

Ten years ago, when the EDL was founded, the U.K. was even less willing than it is now to confront the issue of what are euphemistically described as “Asian grooming gangs” (euphemistic because no Chinese or Koreans are involved and what is happening is not grooming but mass rape). At the time, only a couple of such cases had been recognized. Ten years on, every month brings news of another town in which gangs of men (almost always of Pakistani origin) have been found to have raped young, often underage, white girls. The facts of this reality — which, it cannot be denied, sounds like something from the fantasies of the most lurid racist — have now been confirmed multiple times by judges during sentencing and also by the most mainstream investigative journalists in the country.


The problem — as I said in 2015 — is that any challenge Robinson presents is all a secondary issue. The primary issue is that for years the British state allowed gangs of men to rape thousands of young girls across Britain. For years the police, politicians, Crown Prosecution Service, and every other arm of the state ostensibly dedicated to protecting these girls failed them. As a number of government inquires have concluded, they turned their face away from these girls because they were terrified of the accusations of racism that would come their way if they did address them. They decided it wasn’t worth the aggravation.

What can be said with absolute certainty is that Tommy Robinson has been treated with greater suspicion and a greater presumption of guilt by the United Kingdom than any Islamic extremist or mass rapist ever has been. That should be — yet is not — a national scandal. If even one mullah or sheikh had been treated with the presumption of guilt that Robinson has received, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and the rest of them would be all over the U.K. authorities. But different standards apply to Robinson.
How funny that Murray's conviction that those who through light on the phenemenon of Pakistani Mulism rape gangs in Britain are branded as racists is entirely true.
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A German Muslim scholar was asked on a live TV show about terrorism and Islam. He said:

Who started the First World War? Was it Muslims?
Who started the Second World War? Was it Muslims?
Who killed about 20 million Aborigines in Australia? Was it Muslims?
Who sent the nuclear bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 100 million Indians in North America? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 50 million Indians in South America? Was it Muslims?
Who took about 180 million of African people as slaves, of whom 88% died and thrown in the Atlantic? Was it Muslims?

No, they weren’t Muslims! First, you have to define terrorism properly. If a non-Muslim does something bad, it is a crime. But if a Muslim commits the same act, he is a terrorist.

First remove this double standard, and then come to the point!
Sounds like a bit of a shit scholar if that's the best he can come up with.
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Old 14.06.2018, 14:37
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A German Muslim scholar was asked on a live TV show about terrorism and Islam. He said:

Who started the First World War? Was it Muslims?
Arguably yes. What was the conflict in Saarajevo about again?

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Who started the Second World War? Was it Muslims?
Maybe they didn't start it. But what about the Muslim brigades in the Wehrmacht. Or the influence a certain Mohammed Amin al-Husseini had on Hitler and on the Shoa.

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Who killed about 20 million Aborigines in Australia? Was it Muslims?
Who sent the nuclear bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 100 million Indians in North America? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 50 million Indians in South America? Was it Muslims?
he's probably right there.

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Who took about 180 million of African people as slaves, of whom 88% died and thrown in the Atlantic? Was it Muslims?
He urgently needs to google that one.

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No, they weren’t Muslims! First, you have to define terrorism properly. If a non-Muslim does something bad, it is a crime. But if a Muslim commits the same act, he is a terrorist.

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A German Muslim scholar was asked on a live TV show about terrorism and Islam. He said:

Who started the First World War? Was it Muslims?
Who started the Second World War? Was it Muslims?
Who killed about 20 million Aborigines in Australia? Was it Muslims?
Who sent the nuclear bombs to Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 100 million Indians in North America? Was it Muslims?
Who killed more than 50 million Indians in South America? Was it Muslims?
Who took about 180 million of African people as slaves, of whom 88% died and thrown in the Atlantic? Was it Muslims?

No, they weren’t Muslims! First, you have to define terrorism properly. If a non-Muslim does something bad, it is a crime. But if a Muslim commits the same act, he is a terrorist.

First remove this double standard, and then come to the point!
History is riddled with wars and violence. I don't think pointing to other atrocities to take the focus off your own is really the right way to look at things. I'm sure you can just as easily make a laundry list of atrocities carried out by Muslims.

The thing is, the West has mostly done away with violence in the name of religion, while this is still alive and not-so-well in Middle East and Africa, predominantly within the religion of Islam. It slowly filters over to EU, and as the number of Muslims living in EU grows, so has the number of Islamic related deaths here.

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Old 14.06.2018, 15:19
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

...meanwhile in Köln...
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German prosecutors said Thursday they've thwarted an Islamic extremist plot to launch an attack with the deadly toxin ricin.
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Who started the First World War? Was it Muslims?
I'm not really sure why you had to bold it, it doesn't really make your point any stronger. Anyways, no, the horrific acts you listed were not driven by Muslims. However, that's not really the point. You see, the major difference between the culture of so-called Western Society and the Muslim culture is that the "West" tends to self-reflect and search for problems within itself. More often than not it discovers flaws and tries to fix them. By no means always, but generally it does. To pick on one of your examples, WWII; The Germans today are probably the most anti-nazi people on the planet because they understand what the problem was and have solved it. The fringe neo-nazi incidents are so low that they make national news. If they were widespread, they'd be normal and non-events. But they aren't. The Muslim culture on the other hand does not accept any criticism from the outside, on the contrary. There's usually no middle-ground. The reasons for this are deep and historic and not really interesting in this thread.
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...meanwhile in Köln...
That's an absolutely crazy story - a Tunisian Islamist developing a chemical weapon in an apartment - why are no European English speaking papers not picking up the story ??
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That's an absolutely crazy story - a Tunisian Islamist developing a chemical weapon in an apartment - why are no European English speaking papers not picking up the story ??
You mean like the Guardian?

Did you actually Google? SMH...
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Did you actually Google? SMH...
I can't take any organisation involving Owen Jones seriously.
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I can't take any organisation involving Owen Jones seriously.
It was just the result off the top of the search. There was a raft of similar articles, probably some written by your journo of choice.
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I'm not really sure why you had to bold it, it doesn't really make your point any stronger. Anyways, no, the horrific acts you listed were not driven by Muslims. However, that's not really the point. You see, the major difference between the culture of so-called Western Society and the Muslim culture is that the "West" tends to self-reflect and search for problems within itself. More often than not it discovers flaws and tries to fix them. By no means always, but generally it does. To pick on one of your examples, WWII; The Germans today are probably the most anti-nazi people on the planet because they understand what the problem was and have solved it. The fringe neo-nazi incidents are so low that they make national news. If they were widespread, they'd be normal and non-events. But they aren't. The Muslim culture on the other hand does not accept any criticism from the outside, on the contrary. There's usually no middle-ground. The reasons for this are deep and historic and not really interesting in this thread.
Right. How wonderful.
<<the "West" tends to self-reflect and search for problems within itself>> absolutely

I would suggest, there are more Nazi-minded people in the non-Moslem world than the Moslem terrorists we experience in their.'s
The difference is the Nazi-minded people don't act on their believes (at the moment) because they see no benefit in dying for their believes (no virgins "up there" waiting for them, life within their present social-security-society is not gruesome enough yet).

But of course, you're analysis gives a much better feeling.

Fact is, they suffer from our behaviour (and not only the Nazis amongst us) and we suffer from their's (or rather from their reaction to our's)

Do not jump on the apostrophe-rule this time, I'm not in the mood to think about those today. Thanks
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The event is being reported by pretty much every news organisation.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Rather OT

But there has been a bit of noise in Bern about a teacher who read from the Koran while wearing a niqab.

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...n-vor-13517126
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The event is being reported by pretty much every news organisation.
Not the BBC
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Right. How wonderful.
<<the "West" tends to self-reflect and search for problems within itself>> absolutely

I would suggest, there are more Nazi-minded people in the non-Moslem world than the Moslem terrorists we experience in their.'s
The difference is the Nazi-minded people don't act on their believes (at the moment) because they see no benefit in dying for their believes (no virgins "up there" waiting for them, life within their present social-security-society is not gruesome enough yet).


Do not jump on the apostrophe-rule this time, I'm not in the mood to think about those today. Thanks
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