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Old 02.07.2018, 10:12
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Pray tell Parnell, where I condone any violence, apart from myself thumping alt-right neo-Nazi fascists should the need arise.

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Old 02.07.2018, 10:30
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How about flushing their credentials down the toilets. Because that's where I expect they went. Very correct behaviour.
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They were on the very FIRST flight of Ethiopian airlines from Addis Ababa to Miami - stopping in Dublin - they had extensive security checks before they boarded the plane - which they passed. You can imagine how much such a flight would have cost.
Then they deliberately destroyed their identifying documents before claiming asylum.

Naturally enough you would consider the above to be correct - which explains why I would like to see folks like yourself pay directly for the policies you espouse. In Tobi's case it doesn't surprise me much - he is already on record here as defending the violent actions of migrants - they appear to have carte blanche to do whatever they wish but only in the lands of the oppressors...
There is nothing in the article to support your wild claims that they deliberately destroyed their identity documents? Most likely they simply left them on the plane which was continuing to Miami after the stop in Dublin.

What is the relevance of the cost of the flight? A one way ticket from Ethiopia to Miami costs around CHF 1,000 which is anyway a lot cheaper than it is alleged smugglers charge to bring people in by sea.

Seeking asylum is perfectly legal in the 147 countries who have signed the UN convention and residents of those countries have to pay for any asylum seekers costs through their taxes.
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You really have a problem don't you?

I accuse people here of having a lot of prejudices and being bigoted. I have no idea if you are holocaust deniers with shrines to Hitler and Swastica tattoos. But a lot of people here are in many ways verbally supporting a lot of stuff espoused by the "alt-right" and neo-Nazis. That has nothing to do with being conservative. I am liberal, but I am not a Socialist, I am not a Communist and I am not an Antifasch. However I would be more inclined to support the Antifasch when push came to shove in a Europe where tolerance and hate seems to be spreading.

Yes I think its OK to hate people who feel its OK to hate people on the premise of their race, religion or whatever. That makes me morally superior to you.
Mate, if you think it's acceptable to use violence against people with differing view points from yourself then you have no morals. Or argument for that matter.
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Old 02.07.2018, 11:55
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There is nothing in the article to support your wild claims that they deliberately destroyed their identity documents? Most likely they simply left them on the plane which was continuing to Miami after the stop in Dublin.
Same thing.

They boarded with them, they left without them.

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Old 02.07.2018, 12:26
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Same thing.

They boarded with them, they left without them.

Tom
Seems to be a sensible solution to claim Asylum, then there is no means to repatriation as the country they originated from will also deny them entry.

Of course every sporting event has also its history of asylum seekers, right or wrong. I am guessing there will not be many trying to do so in Russia.

Still, I am not sure what this has to do with Muslim?



[Edit] Oh, I see who started that little sub thread.
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Old 02.07.2018, 13:00
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There is nothing in the article to support your wild claims that they deliberately destroyed their identity documents? Most likely they simply left them on the plane which was continuing to Miami after the stop in Dublin.

What is the relevance of the cost of the flight? A one way ticket from Ethiopia to Miami costs around CHF 1,000 which is anyway a lot cheaper than it is alleged smugglers charge to bring people in by sea.

Seeking asylum is perfectly legal in the 147 countries who have signed the UN convention and residents of those countries have to pay for any asylum seekers costs through their taxes.
Again I would be very happy if you would be charged directly the cost of policies you promote :

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As tourism chiefs and VIPs celebrated at Dublin airport immigration officers had to attempt to ascertain the identities of the ‘refugees’ – as they had arrived with no ID cards or travel documents.

"If their application is successful it could come at a price of around €1m to the Irish taxpayer, as the cost of assessing someone’s application normally runs to around €120,000-€150,000."
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Old 02.07.2018, 13:38
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Again I would be very happy if you would be charged directly the cost of policies you promote :
You still have not explained what you see is so different about this group of asylum seekers versus the thousands of other asylum seekers who arrive daily in Europe?

These seven arrived in Dublin in 2015 when 890,000 (latest number from German Govt.) arrived in Germany that year.
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Old 02.07.2018, 13:48
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Mate, if you think it's acceptable to use violence against people with differing view points from yourself then you have no morals. Or argument for that matter.
Between the ages of 13 - 17, I smacked BM, NF and Column 88 members on quite a few occassions because they thought it was ok to attack me and my mates for being Spurs supporters. Man City and Leeds were the main locations where they would wait for us being escorted from the ground and attack us. It was self defence. I have no regrets and would do it again in a heart beat.

If you want to go down the morality route, when a 6ft 2 grown man physically attacks a 5ft 3 teenage girl whilst screaming anti-semitic slurs, I have every right, legal and otherwise, to defend myself. End of.
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Old 02.07.2018, 13:54
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If you want to go down the morality route, when a 6ft 2 grown man physically attacks a 5ft 3 teenage girl whilst screaming anti-semitic slurs, I have every right, legal and otherwise, to defend myself. End of.
You measured all of them ?
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Old 02.07.2018, 13:57
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You still have not explained what you see is so different about this group of asylum seekers versus the thousands of other asylum seekers who arrive daily in Europe?
Where did I say it was so different ? Enormous resources are expended in establishing the identity of people to assess their grounds for asylum who deliberately thwart any such efforts. In my view that alone should disqualify them.

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These seven arrived in Dublin in 2015 when 890,000 (latest number from German Govt.) arrived in Germany that year.
We have plenty of underemployed people - we don't need any more.
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Between the ages of 13 - 17, I smacked BM, NF and Column 88 members on quite a few occassions because they thought it was ok to attack me and my mates for being Spurs supporters. Man City and Leeds were the main locations where they would wait for us being escorted from the ground and attack us. It was self defence. I have no regrets and would do it again in a heart beat.

If you want to go down the morality route, when a 6ft 2 grown man physically attacks a 5ft 3 teenage girl whilst screaming anti-semitic slurs, I have every right, legal and otherwise, to defend myself. End of.
Who said anything about defending yourself from a physical attack? Are you having a conversation with someone else? Weird.
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Where did I say it was so different ? Enormous resources are expended in establishing the identity of people to assess their grounds for asylum who deliberately thwart any such efforts. In my view that alone should disqualify them.


We have plenty of underemployed people - we don't need any more.
I still fail to see what this has to do with terrorist Islamists ?
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:21
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I still fail to see what this has to do with terrorist Islamists ?
You don't see any problem in letting people into the country/schengen who deliberately destroy their id so they can't be identified?

Why didn't you destroy your id before arriving?
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:23
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Same thing.

They boarded with them, they left without them.

Tom
Possibly just a spontaneous thing.
An event to mark the airline’s first flight through Dublin had been taking place at the Departures gate a DAA spokeswoman said.
Maybe they were told to leave everything on the plane to join the party and later just saw this as an opportunity to claim asylum?
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I still fail to see what this has to do with terrorist Islamists ?
Well Ethiopia is a majority Christian country; oh wait a minute......!
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You still have not explained what you see is so different about this group of asylum seekers versus the thousands of other asylum seekers who arrive daily in Europe?
His posts are based upon supposition.

Did anyone complain when Nureyev claimed asylum at an airport?
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Possibly just a spontaneous thing.
An event to mark the airline’s first flight through Dublin had been taking place at the Departures gate a DAA spokeswoman said.
Maybe they were told to leave everything on the plane to join the party and later just saw this as an opportunity to claim asylum?
Can i have some of whatever you're taking?
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:30
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You don't see any problem in letting people into the country/schengen who deliberately destroy their id so they can't be identified?

Why didn't you destroy your id before arriving?
Problem is how to identify these people from people who never had an id, or had their id taken from them?
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:38
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Possibly just a spontaneous thing.
An event to mark the airline’s first flight through Dublin had been taking place at the Departures gate a DAA spokeswoman said.
Maybe they were told to leave everything on the plane to join the party and later just saw this as an opportunity to claim asylum?
So claiming asylum is something people do on a whim?
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Problem is how to identify these people from people who never had an id, or had their id taken from them?
There's no problem with the particular instance that someone must have done a decent Google search to drag up last night. Unfortunately for him, I was employed in the flight booking business at the time, and with Ethiopian being one of only 3 major African airlines at the time, news of inaugural flights to the US from an African Star Alliance member, is exactly the kind of thing that would hit my inbox, and maybe bring about an office visit from the airline reps.

The passengers' details would be on the flight manifest, and if they weren't, the airline would be heavily fined.
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