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Old 02.07.2018, 14:51
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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So claiming asylum is something people do on a whim?
Yes. Ask my next door neighbour. If someone's breathing down your next, you donlt have time to plan. You just act. You do a Nureyev
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:52
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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There's no problem with the particular instance that someone must have done a decent Google search to drag up last night. Unfortunately for him, I was employed in the flight booking business at the time, and with Ethiopian being one of only 3 major African airlines at the time, news of inaugural flights to the US from an African Star Alliance member, is exactly the kind of thing that would hit my inbox, and maybe bring about an office visit from the airline reps.

The passengers' details would be on the flight manifest, and if they weren't, the airline would be heavily fined.
I meant it would be hard to prove they deliberately lost their id?
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:55
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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So claiming asylum is something people do on a whim?
More a case of seizing an unexpected opportunity, look at all the sportsmen (and women) who have applied for asylum when out of the country.
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Old 02.07.2018, 14:59
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I meant it would be hard to prove they deliberately lost their id?
Exactly, despite what some may claim.
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Old 02.07.2018, 15:35
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I meant it would be hard to prove they deliberately lost their id?
All seven of them lost it by accident?

In any case, if they had, the cleaning crew surely would have found them.

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Old 02.07.2018, 15:44
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All seven of them lost it by accident?

In any case, if they had, the cleaning crew surely would have found them.

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Found by the cleaning crew in Miami if left in the plane, maybe they did and were then restored to their owners in Dublin?
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Old 02.07.2018, 16:14
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Are you guys trolling? All 7 of them coincidentally lost their passports on the way to claim asylum!?

They didn't 'pull a Nureyev'. They deliberately destroyed their ids with the intention of getting asylum status that they otherwise would not be granted if they had to show their real identities. It's not so hard to understand..and it shows the ridiculous gaping loophole in Schengen immigration policy which is constantly exploited by economic migrants. And terrorists.

"In part, the refugee flow was even used to smuggle terrorists.."

-Angela Merkel
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Old 02.07.2018, 16:16
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Found by the cleaning crew in Miami if left in the plane, maybe they did and were then restored to their owners in Dublin?
Imagining Hollywood worth, action movies scenarios is cute, but it does not erase the suspicions. I personally suspect they thought it was a good moment to deflect, nothing more. But maybe they have good reasons, who knows.

Either you are so condescending and ultimately racist, or you are trolling. Seriously.
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Old 02.07.2018, 16:25
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Mate, if you think it's acceptable to use violence against people with differing view points from yourself then you have no morals. Or argument for that matter.
Nazism is not "different view points".
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Nazism is not "different view points".
What is it then?
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Old 02.07.2018, 17:48
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They deliberately destroyed their ids with the intention of getting asylum status that they otherwise would not be granted if they had to show their real identities. It's not so hard to understand...
And your proof is? Go back to post #2391 and read it again.

1. They reportedly arrived at the desk without ID or travel documentation.

2. A spokeswoman for Ethiopian Airlines this morning insisted that all passengers on the flight had full legal documents when they boarded in Addis Ababa but said that the airline does not comment on individual cases.

All of the passenger details of everyone on that flight, would be on the flight manifest, so the information would have been freely available to the immigration managers at Dublin. as the flight was en route to the US, I cannot emphasise enough, how many government agencies would have trawled through the passenger list. If, as is claimed, these passengers claimed to not have their documents, it would take all of a couple of minutes to identify them, and they would most definitely have been identified when the remaining passngers reboarded for the onward flight.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

Btw, don't forget to set your Google search to 2015 if you attempt to find the answer.
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Old 02.07.2018, 17:49
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What is it then?
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Old 02.07.2018, 18:24
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You're lucky you didn't see his PMs ...
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Old 02.07.2018, 18:28
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You're lucky you didn't see his PMs ...
Did he offer to meet you so that he could teach you a rather violent lesson? I got similar.
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And your proof is? Go back to post #2391 and read it again.

1. They reportedly arrived at the desk without ID or travel documentation.

2. A spokeswoman for Ethiopian Airlines this morning insisted that all passengers on the flight had full legal documents when they boarded in Addis Ababa but said that the airline does not comment on individual cases.

All of the passenger details of everyone on that flight, would be on the flight manifest, so the information would have been freely available to the immigration managers at Dublin. as the flight was en route to the US, I cannot emphasise enough, how many government agencies would have trawled through the passenger list. If, as is claimed, these passengers claimed to not have their documents, it would take all of a couple of minutes to identify them, and they would most definitely have been identified when the remaining passngers reboarded for the onward flight.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

Btw, don't forget to set your Google search to 2015 if you attempt to find the answer.
What legal value has the flight manifest? I guess it shows the identity someone boarded with but beyond that what's its value?

Which country would accept it as proof of ID for any passenger, let alone one who's probably a foreigner, who wants to enter the country?
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Did he offer to meet you so that he could teach you a rather violent lesson? I got similar.
Nah, just childish insults. I guess everybody's able to learn so perhaps he wisened up a bit since he sent yours.
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Old 02.07.2018, 19:15
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What legal value has the flight manifest? I guess it shows the identity someone boarded with but beyond that what's its value?

Which country would accept it as proof of ID for any passenger, let alone one who's probably a foreigner, who wants to enter the country?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/44909

https://www.iata.org/iata/passenger-..._%20Text_E.pdf

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/article-...02/wp66_en.pdf

They're covered by legislation and best practice procedures. Identification of a passenger wishing to enter the US is carried out repeatedly from the initial booking process, through to visa application or the Visa Waiver programme, and to the final flight manifest. At any point in that process, the US can refuse entry to a passenger.
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Old 02.07.2018, 19:22
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Nazism is not "different view points".
If everybody you disagree with is a nazi, then by that definition, it must be.
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Old 02.07.2018, 19:25
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What legal value has the flight manifest? I guess it shows the identity someone boarded with but beyond that what's its value?

Which country would accept it as proof of ID for any passenger, let alone one who's probably a foreigner, who wants to enter the country?
It's not proof, but its evidence that needs to considered in establishing the identity of the person.

Same as your credit cxrd or your IP address can be used as evidence if you are suspected of illegal activity.
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