All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) - Page 128

parnell · #**2541** 29.07.2018, 10:21

	Quote:	Blueangel
	The facts: Article 261 https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...0000/311.0.pdf

Thanks for that so run along and dob in your buddy there for inciting violence:

	Quote:	TobiasM
	Nope, not at all, but the only good fascist is a dead fascist.

EDIT : People mock Christians mercilessly on this site all the time - which also contradicts your beloved article - I don't see your crusade (no pun intended) there o Kuesnacht dweller.

kriss kross · #**2542** 29.07.2018, 10:25

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	Aah, you're Australian. Alles klar.

A national stereotype is not an argument.

#**2543** 29.07.2018, 10:26

	Quote:	kriss kross
	A national stereotype is not an argument.

In Australia's case it isn't an argument, but it is proof.

Blueangel · #**2544** 29.07.2018, 10:28

	Quote:	parnell
	Thanks for that so run along and dob in your buddy there for inciting violence:

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	Any person who publicly incites hatred or discrimination against a person or a group of persons on the grounds of their race, ethnic origin or religion,

And fascism is which of those?

parnell · #**2545** 29.07.2018, 10:36

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	In Australia's case it isn't an argument, but it is proof.

Ah yes Australia... things are going well there :

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	Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton led the charge yesterday, saying the tragic death points to a “major law and order problem” with “Sudanese gangs” in Victoria. Now his colleagues have jumped on figures from the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency (CSA), to the end of March which show Sudanese-born people are 57 times more likely to be charged with aggravated robbery in Victoria than their Australian-born counterparts. They also show that Sudanese-born people, who make up just 0.15 per cent of the state’s population, are 33 times more likely to be charged with riot and affray compared with Australian-born counterparts. Figures for the past five years show Sudan has consistently been among the top two or three places of birth for offenders charged with crimes including aggravated burglary, serious assault, motor vehicle theft, aggravated robbery, and riot and affray.

With numbers like that of course the fault lies with the kangaroos and the barbies right ??

parnell · #**2546** 29.07.2018, 10:43

	Quote:	Blueangel
	And fascism is which of those?

Inform yourself

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	Among the writers who alluded before 1980 to the religious aspects of National Socialism are Aurel Kolnai, Raymond Aron, Albert Camus, Romano Guardini, Denis de Rougemont, Eric Voegelin, George Mosse, Klaus Vondung and Friedrich Heer.[2] Voegelin's work on political religion was first published in German in 1938. Emilio Gentile and Roger Griffin, among others, have drawn on his concept. The French author and philosopher Albert Camus is mentioned here, since he has made some remarks about Nazism as a religion and about Adolf Hitler in particular in L'Homme révolté.[3]

marton · #**2547** 29.07.2018, 10:57

	Quote:	parnell
	Inform yourself

Interesting claims about National Socialism as a form of religion but like many other authors you have failed to prove a strong link between National Socialism and fascism which destroys your argument

Fascism is the topic here.

One definition from the Web

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	Fascism is the regime/ideology of anti-democracy. The state is absolute and totalitarian and all citizens must follow the state. National-Socialism or Nazism is a racist and antisemitic ideology which holds that the Aryan race is superior to all other races, and that the government must actively promote the perfect race.

BTW, you do know "National-Socialism or Nazism is a racist ideology"?

kriss kross · #**2548** 29.07.2018, 10:58

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	In Australia's case it isn't an argument, but it is proof.

Do you do national stereotypes for all countries? Or only the white ones?

#**2549** 29.07.2018, 11:02

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Do you do national stereotypes for all countries? Or only the white ones?

Only ones likely to draw ire from snowflakes. I thought you were of the opinion that if a stereotype was true, it was fine to say it? See your mate above with Sudanese for example. Australians are a bit less tolerant than most civilised societies, so you don't mind that being pointed out, I'm sure.

pilatus1 · #**2550** 29.07.2018, 11:05

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	Only ones likely to draw ire from snowflakes.

As in, Trevor Noah on Aborigines and blowjobs?

#**2551** 29.07.2018, 11:08

	Quote:	pilatus1
	As in, Trevor Noah on Aborigines and blowjobs?

Can't say that I've seen that, but good of people from the right to keep an eye on centre-left output for what we should be offended by, cheers.

greenmount · #**2552** 29.07.2018, 11:09

	Quote:	kriss kross
	She's saying you love to bleat on about being tolerant and not demonising people, as long as you're defending someone you see in need of your heroic help, like minorities. But when the shoe is on the other foot and if someone a bit less worthy in your eyes is being demonised you don't really care about being tolerant. It's like that time you had no problem telling me I should "go back to Australia" and then admitted that you wouldn't be willing to tell an African man to "go back to Africa" Double standards and all that.

Of course. The lack of decorum and contempt for some groups, especially on this forum. In all fairness, only about 20 active members all the time.

He sounds so much like those Stalinist propaganda men demonising the evil capitalists who're keeping the masses in dark and hunger.

Same people who see no problems with Marx statues in Europe. Same people who never heard of deportations, political jails - of course, bloody EE peasants, they opposed the greater good by thinking for themselves.

When you call EFers ignorance out, instead of apologising they keep digging their hole embarrassing you and everyone else with a iota of brain.

They know better, even when they know nothing. Typical fake, hypocritical, modern "social activists".

Uuuurgh.

kriss kross · #**2553** 29.07.2018, 11:11

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	I thought you were of the opinion that if a stereotype was true, it was fine to say it?

Sure, as long as you don't pick and choose which stereotypes you are willing to say depending on how brown they are.

I think there's a word for someone who treats people differently based on their skin colour...

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	Australians are a bit less tolerant than most civilised societies, so you don't mind that being pointed out, I'm sure.

I think most people can think of quite a few countries which are less tolerant than Australia - but for some reason I don't think you'd be as willing to criticise them.

parnell · #**2554** 29.07.2018, 11:13

	Quote:	marton
	Interesting claims about National Socialism as a form of religion but like many other authors

You do understand the difference between referring and authoring ... whoops ... forgot it was marton...

	Quote:	marton
	you have failed to prove a strong link between National Socialism and fascism which destroys your argument

Hardly - however I wish you continuing success in your proud belief that National Socialism is not fascist - it seems entirely consistent with the rest of your argumentation.

Nevermind - I do like to help out so here you are - from Wiki

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	Nazism is a form of fascism and showed that ideology's disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system, but also incorporated fervent antisemitism, scientific racism, and eugenics into its creed.

Your definition "from the web" (where is your link) is laughable as the first part of it is indistinguishable from communism.

pilatus1 · #**2555** 29.07.2018, 11:15

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	Only ones likely to draw ire from snowflakes. I thought you were of the opinion that if a stereotype was true, it was fine to say it? See your mate above with Sudanese for example. Australians are a bit less tolerant than most civilised societies, so you don't mind that being pointed out, I'm sure.

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	Can't say that I've seen that, but good of people from the right to keep an eye on centre-left output for what we should be offended by, cheers.

How is it that you feel justified in stereotyping a whole country and it's people? You automatically assume that anyone from Australia is predisposed to be an intolerant racist?

I'm not on the right, or trying to point out what you ' should be offended by'- I'm just a guy trying to make sense of this world, calling you out for being a blatant hypocrite

parnell · #**2556** 29.07.2018, 11:17

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	Only ones likely to draw ire from snowflakes. I thought you were of the opinion that if a stereotype was true, it was fine to say it? See your mate above with Sudanese for example. Australians are a bit less tolerant than most civilised societies, so you don't mind that being pointed out, I'm sure.

Statistical evidence differs from a stereotype :

stereotype
ˈstɛrɪə(ʊ)tʌɪp,ˈstɪərɪə(ʊ)tʌɪp/Submit
noun
1.
a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing.

Also kindly list out all examples of "civilized societies" - you sound a bit like Trump now - wonderful irony.

#**2557** 29.07.2018, 11:23

	Quote:	kriss kross
	Sure, as long as you don't pick and choose which stereotypes you are willing to say depending on how brown they are. I think there's a word for someone who treats people differently based on their skin colour... I think most people can think of quite a few countries which are less tolerant than Australia - but for some reason I don't think you'd be as willing to criticise them.

	Quote:	pilatus1
	How is it that you feel justified in stereotyping a whole country and it's people? You automatically assume that anyone from Australia is predisposed to be an intolerant racist? I'm not on the right, or trying to point out what you ' should be offended by'- I'm just a guy trying to make sense of this world, calling you out for being a blatant hypocrite

	Quote:	parnell
	Statistical evidence differs from a stereotype : stereotype ˈstɛrɪə(ʊ)tʌɪp,ˈstɪərɪə(ʊ)tʌɪp/Submit noun 1. a widely held but fixed and oversimplified image or idea of a particular type of person or thing. Also kindly list out all examples of "civilized societies" - you sound a bit like Trump now - wonderful irony.

Well you guys fell hook, line and sinker. Heavy Saturday night I guess.

It isn't nice to group everyone together for the actions of a few, whether they be Aussie, Sudanese or Martian, so please refrain in future.

kriss kross · #**2558** 29.07.2018, 11:25

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	It isn't nice to group everyone together for the actions of a few, whether they be Aussie, Sudanese or Martian, so please refrain in future.

What a wanker.

Must be Scottish

parnell · #**2559** 29.07.2018, 11:25

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	Well you guys fell hook, line and sinker. Heavy Saturday night I guess. It isn't nice to group everyone together for the actions of a few, whether they be Aussie, Sudanese or Martian, so please refrain in future.

Good job we didn't do that other than you.

pilatus1 · #**2560** 29.07.2018, 11:26

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