Three non Muslims, all of whom describe themselves as critics of religion, discussing Islam.

What a really excellent demonstration of the point that "People who "believe" they know something about Islam – as opposed to personally knowing a Muslim - often have strange and false ideas about Islam"

95% of people on this board would describe themselves as critics of religion , what's your point ??

Your source for this?

https://www.englishforum.ch/

Link does not work

Maybe you meant these threads?

https://www.englishforum.ch/other-ge...communion.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/other-ge...us-school.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...p-service.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/swiss-po...ions-bern.html

https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...-lausanne.html

Certainly more than 5% non critics

CHECKMATE!

You know we already discussed about Imam Tawhidi here.
He claims a Master degree from Al-Mustafa International University
But Al-Mustafa International University in Iran says Imam Tawhidi has no bachelor's degree from their university, let alone a master's.

He started at the university, but dropped out.

The point was that "People who "believe" they know something about Islam – as opposed to personally knowing a Muslim - often have strange and false ideas about Islam"

So once again please post any sort of comment that might possibly establish the relevance or context of your post in this thread.

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It is naive to assume my posts are my own work

You can't address the point so you try to divert. Yawn.

Doesn't mean your reply makes sense in the first place. mind.

Still waiting for those PMs threatening violence too...

This is your post - show me where in the rules - ANY RULES - where such a "definite expectation" exists.

You're not usually a troll so don't start now.

We no longer need permission from the sender of those PMs since he openly exposed himself inciting violence. Should the mods of this forum wish to abide by their own forum rules that'd be a nice change.

If you personally knew any Muslims yourself, Marton, you'd know that quite a few of them often have strange and false ideas about Islam themselves...

Excellent backtracking. I'm sure you'll remedy my red blobby for saying you might not have evidence of Tobias threatening you with violence.

I'm not sure you know what inciting means. That is Tobias' opinion, he's neither personally threatening fascists nor coercing people to harm fascists, he just intensely dislikes them and is happy when they shuffle off this mortal coil.

Think of it this way - next time we play Spurs, I'd be delighted if Kane and Alli were injured. I'm not personally going to injure them, and I'm not asking others to, but I would be happy if they were unable to play.

Next time I am in the Turkish kebab shop drinking a schnapps with the owners I will be sure to ask them what strange and false ideas about Islam they have, like maybe Islam does not forbid alcohol

You don't know the difference between a rule and an expectation?

rule;
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.

expectation;
a strong belief that something will happen or be the case.

On the contrary. I have spoken to several Muslims who all claimed to be experts on Islam but who said that 95% of other Muslims claiming to be experts had either misunderstood or misinterpreted something.

So maybe the definition of a typical Musilm is somebody who isn't quite a perfect Muslim.

Seeing, according to Muslims, it was a Muslim who discovered Alcohol

Either

a) The Prophet had foreseen that discovery and banned the substance before it was even known (in which case, how do we know this was the substance he was referring to)
b) The ban was posthumously inserted after the discovery (in which case, on whose authority?)
c) The ban on alcohol is not quite as specific as is often implied, and is more a hand sweeping general damnation of all mood altering susbstances, which raises the question of whether Muslims can use pain killers, methadone and such.

Bit of a late edit there.

My 'beloved article' is the law of the country you happen to be living in. If you have issue with it, take it up with Alain Berset.

I'd say c) is closest to the truth. The consensus of Muslims I know who don't drink (I'd say purely anecdotally of people I know, it's maybe 50 / 50 between those that do and don't) is that they believe it is improper to be intoxicated, as you are not properly able to appreciate Allah's work and give praise to him if you aren't in your right mind - it is disrespectful to him. So, of course, it's not just alcohol, but anything that leads to intoxication. Pain meds seem to be OK though.