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This is your post - show me where in the rules - ANY RULES - where such a "definite expectation" exists.

You're not usually a troll so don't start now.
Context, context, context.
Which part of "not sure if it's an outright rule" do you have trouble understanding?

Besides you're still due substantiation of your claim. You are of course free to call anyone "troll" but if you do you bloody better start with yourself.
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95% of people on this board would describe themselves as critics of religion , what's your point ??

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Marton (since you crave for my comments), how a blonde girl dare to talk about Islam?! Shes doesn't know any muslims!

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Old 31.07.2018, 00:56
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Marton (since you crave for my comments), how a blonde girl dare to talk about Islam?! Shes doesn't know any muslims!
If I wanted to watch alt right videos (which I don't) then I would go straight to you tube.

Here we have a thread about Europe and you post a video by a Canadian lady without any attempt by you to explain how it is relevant to this thread so obviously I am not motivated to watch it?

Of course, Canadian ladies dare to talk about Islam and I dare to choose not to listen until I know the relevance.

I suppose your claim "(sic) Shes doesn't know any muslims!" is another one of your groundless assumptions without you offering any evidence to support it?
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Old 31.07.2018, 08:44
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Thanks for that so run along and dob in your buddy there for inciting violence:



EDIT : People mock Christians mercilessly on this site all the time - which also contradicts your beloved article - I don't see your crusade (no pun intended) there o Kuesnacht dweller.
Where do people mock Christians?

Nope, sorry complaining about church bells doesn’t count!

Parnell you and Kriss Kross and Capo, incessantly come on this Forum to post your distaste of immigrants, of which you are all!

Well I still think the only good fascist is a dead fascist! So what, are you a fascist then Parnell or would you have supported them in the 1930s? I assume you would have been on the side of Mussolini and Hitler then. Quite frankly I am extremely glad they didn’t win the war. Maybe you should tootle off back to your Hitler shrine.
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:07
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Marton (since you crave for my comments), how a blonde girl dare to talk about Islam?! Shes doesn't know any muslims!

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If I wanted to watch alt right videos (which I don't) then I would go straight to you tube.

Here we have a thread about Europe and you post a video by a Canadian lady without any attempt by you to explain how it is relevant to this thread so obviously I am not motivated to watch it?
She's got some very good points there regarding Europe's immigration policy problems, and double standards/hypocrisy.
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:22
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She's got some very good points there regarding Europe's immigration policy problems, and double standards/hypocrisy.
Now here is a very good example of a comment explaining relevance and encouraging viewing the video.

Here is a video of a Muslim lady explaining the problems Arab ladies face.
She is from New Jersey so you might think it is not relevant for Europe but it is nevertheless worth watching and she does support Trump's Muslim ban.
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:31
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Now here is a very good example of a comment explaining relevance and encouraging viewing the video.

Here is a video of a Muslim lady explaining the problems Arab ladies face.
She is from New Jersey so you might think it is not relevant for Europe but it is nevertheless worth watching and she does support Trump's Muslim ban.
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Her dad left her and tells her that she's not a good Muslim. I feel kind of sad for her Well, and the too much hair thing too, but you can always shave I guess...
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:45
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#refugeeswelcome

Manchester bomber Salman Abedi was rescued from Libyan civil war by Royal Navy
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:52
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He was born in Manchester.
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Old 31.07.2018, 09:57
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...to parents who were Libyan refugees...
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...to parents who were Libyan refugees...
The British guy blew up a concert. His Libyan refugee parents didn't.

What's your point?

If I kill someone, it is my Lithuanian refugee grandparent at fault? Come on, engage in a bit of critical thinking please.
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Old 31.07.2018, 10:58
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The British guy blew up a concert. His Libyan refugee parents didn't.

What's your point?

If I kill someone, it is my Lithuanian refugee grandparent at fault? Come on, engage in a bit of critical thinking please.
His parents were Libyan refugees. He was brought up and raised in their household, with their heritage, religion, beliefs, etc.. He obviously felt a connection to the country of Libya, enough to go and fight there for ISIS. And then to die killing British, who he seemed to hold in regard as enemies. You don't see any connection there at all? You see him as just any other Brit growing up in Manchester? Ok, I guess we all see things from different perspectives....maybe there is some truth to both. But most kids from Manchester don't randomly go fight for ISIS, do they?
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Old 31.07.2018, 10:59
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But most kids from Manchester don't randomly go fight for ISIS, do they?
Nor do most Muslims from Manchester, either.
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Old 31.07.2018, 11:02
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...but of the Brits that do go and fight for ISIS, most have a background that involves migration from a Muslim country, no?
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His parents were Libyan refugees. He was brought up and raised in their household, with their heritage, religion, beliefs, etc.. He obviously felt a connection to the country of Libya, enough to go and fight there for ISIS. And then to die killing British, who he seemed to hold in regard as enemies. You don't see any connection there at all? You see him as just any other Brit growing up in Manchester? Ok, I guess we all see things from different perspectives....maybe there is some truth to both. But most kids from Manchester don't randomly go fight for ISIS, do they?
Had you read the article, it makes it clear that his parents had nothing to do with his radicalisation (except perhaps they were refugees and therefore placed in a poor, disaffected housing estate), but that it was a group of local men from a notorious nearby mosque who recruited and radicalised him.

It seems to me his parents legitimately came over, fleeing the Gaddafi regime, so trying to deligitimise their asylum is a bit poor really. The kid was born in the UK, went to school in the UK and fell into the wrong crowd (who security services knew about, incidentally), so let's not pretend it was to do with his parents' refugee status.
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...but of the Brits that do go and fight for ISIS, most have a background that involves migration from a Muslim country, no?
Allowing ghettos to form at the edge of society does make people associate with some other things or places than where they live.

Isolate or exclude certain groups, telling them all the time they're bad, bad, bad....and, voila.
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...but of the Brits that do go and fight for ISIS, most have a background that involves migration from a Muslim country, no?
Really? Gosh.
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Had you read the article, it makes it clear that his parents had nothing to do with his radicalisation (except perhaps they were refugees and therefore placed in a poor, disaffected housing estate), but that it was a group of local men from a notorious nearby mosque who recruited and radicalised him.

It seems to me his parents legitimately came over, fleeing the Gaddafi regime, so trying to deligitimise their asylum is a bit poor really. The kid was born in the UK, went to school in the UK and fell into the wrong crowd (who security services knew about, incidentally), so let's not pretend it was to do with his parents' refugee status.
I was pointing out that he was a product of mass migration from Muslim countries into the UK. Same as the fellows at the Mosque who recruited him, I would assume. Or should we just pretend and ignore this problem exists out of fear of being labeled "islamophobe" or whatever?

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Allowing ghettos to form at the edge of society does make people associate with some other things or places than where they live.

Isolate or exclude certain groups, telling them all the time they're bad, bad, bad....and, voila.
Right, it's the UK's fault. They invited them in, but didn't give them the wonderful life they expected, so of course they then get angry and turn to religious violence.
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Old 31.07.2018, 11:29
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His parents were Libyan refugees. He was brought up and raised in their household, with their heritage, religion, beliefs, etc.. He obviously felt a connection to the country of Libya, enough to go and fight there for ISIS. And then to die killing British, who he seemed to hold in regard as enemies. You don't see any connection there at all? You see him as just any other Brit growing up in Manchester? Ok, I guess we all see things from different perspectives....maybe there is some truth to both. But most kids from Manchester don't randomly go fight for ISIS, do they?
He was evacuated from Libya in August 2014, this was before ISIS extended their terrorist operations to Libya.
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So he was not fighting for ISIS.

The article states "Until a month before his rescue, Abedi was being monitored by UK security forces. The review into the Manchester attack found that, based on the information available at the time, the decision to close his case was sound."
So he was not fighting for anyone!
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