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You could always piss off back to South America if you don't like our continent.

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Old 31.07.2018, 19:41
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Old 31.07.2018, 20:15
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His parents were Libyan refugees. He was brought up and raised in their household, with their heritage, religion, beliefs, etc..
You do realise his mother was a nuclear engineer and graduated top of her class from Tripoli University? Even Trumps rules would probably have snapped her up.

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Allowing ghettos to form at the edge of society does make people associate with some other things or places than where they live.

Isolate or exclude certain groups, telling them all the time they're bad, bad, bad....and, voila.
I thought you were talking about how Oasis was founded, but I'm guessing you've never been to Burnage.

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No from Libya, but Middle East and Africa, which are predominantly Muslim. You would have to be living under a rock not to notice that.
North and East Africa are predominantly Muslim but the rest of the continent is predominantly Christian. If you meet someone from Nigeria, there's a 50/50 chance if they'll be Muslim or Christian. Ghana, it's 50% Christian, 25% Muslim.

You need to get more specific in your points.
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Old 31.07.2018, 20:19
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No, my point was that in some cases religious nutters have a very fertile terrain to try their ideas on...couple that with the fact the youth in general are rather hotheaded..Maybe it's better to understand how this propaganda spreads and why this youth has this profound feeling of alienation.
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You could always piss off back to South America if you don't like our continent.

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First of all, I'm from Italy. Second, at least South America doesn't have a problem with Islam (yet!).
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First of all, I'm from Italy. Second, at least South America doesn't have a problem with Islam (yet!).
You're Italian? So what are you complaining about? You're virtually African yourself!
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Old 31.07.2018, 21:38
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"Moderate Muslim" is a meaningless term. Why do people insist on using it?
Huh? Because there can be a big difference between people who are fanatical about their religion, and those who are not? Because Moderate Muslims also use the term...?


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You do realise his mother was a nuclear engineer and graduated top of her class from Tripoli University?
Jesus, Joseph and Mary... I'm glad her kid didn't have his mom's intelligence, otherwise that concert attack could have been a whole lot worse
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Huh? Because there can be a big difference between people who are fanatical about their religion, and those who are not?
If Islam itself is the problem - rather than individual Muslims - then it shouldn't make a difference how "fanatical" its adherents are.
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Old 31.07.2018, 22:23
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If Islam itself is the problem - rather than individual Muslims - then it shouldn't make a difference how "fanatical" its adherents are.
Islam is so heavily woven into society, politics, etc. in ME and Africa, and has a big influence over society, how people think, act, etc. Women are repressed, gays have no rights, if you dare insult Muhammad, well...



Then if you compare that to say some "moderate Muslims" that have lived in EU and adatped to more liberal EU cultural norms, eg. women can shake hands with men, can drive cars, etc. ...then, yes, there is a big difference there.



Of course the problem is not simply "Islam", it's "How so many countries/societies have based their lives around a pretty fanatical interpretation of Islam". Christianity had it's reformation and moved on. Europeans are pretty much Easter and Christmas. Good luck recruiting someone to kill/die in the name of Jesus in 2018. But finding people to kill/die in Muhammad's name?.. no sweat.
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Islam is so heavily woven into society, politics, etc. in ME and Africa, and has a big influence over society, how people think, act, etc. Women are repressed, gays have no rights, if you dare insult Muhammad, well...



Then if you compare that to say some "moderate Muslims" that have lived in EU and adatped to more liberal EU cultural norms, eg. women can shake hands with men, can drive cars, etc. ...then, yes, there is a big difference there.



Of course the problem is not simply "Islam", it's "How so many countries/societies have based their lives around a pretty fanatical interpretation of Islam". Christianity had it's reformation and moved on. Europeans are pretty much Easter and Christmas. Good luck recruiting someone to kill/die in the name of Jesus in 2018. But finding people to kill/die in Muhammad's name?.. no sweat.
Finding people to kill/die in Muhammad's name?.. no sweat

What a load of crap!
So give us the name of such a person?
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Old 01.08.2018, 02:04
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But it has no relation to Brexit in the slightest, British Muslims have nothing to do with the current refugee and immigration influx, we have had growing Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities for a long time. That Islamic terrorism was just another bit of anti EU ammunition by the Brexit lobbyists.
This thread is a total mess, everyone is discussing with everyone and replying to posts they didn't even have the patience to see to whom were they dedicated or what were they about. Of course I know that the UK has a strong immigration from these countries and it is not new. British citizens of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origins were also very eager to vote for Brexit, if you want me to back up my claims I will but it's so tiring, already covered in another thread. And this is so not the point. Their right to vote whatever they please.

I don't know what has Brexit effectively produced or whether it fulfilled people's hopes, if you look at Calais case for instance for sure UK is not so eager to accept undocumented immigrants. Even Germany has stopped repeating the welcome refrain, it's just too much in a very short time. You can't deny there aren't any issues, financial, cultural, economic associated with mass immigration. In general. Brexit, Trump, they are the effects of popular discontent and that discontent is rather big.

For sure there are many people who were racially motivated when voted for Brexit or for other infamous characters in various European elections, but if you think everyone not agreeing with the open gates policy is a racist then the discussion shouldn't continue. Or it should, as far as I see it is futile anyway - no-one will convince anyone, it's just a power trip here and, in some cases, obvious trolling to provoke some reactions that will be used against the other part to score some points. Aren't we too little and too insignificant to influence the due course of things? EF seems like a glass of water under a permanent storm. Trump wanted anyone to adhere to his nationalistic dogma and he doesn't even have to do anything for that, it's sufficient the left to play it as badly as before.

Of course everything is politically motivated and we don't even see the power games, the negotiations, the cynical deals. Now it's fashionable to demonise immigration, and in many cases I don't even think it's about that anymore. We're small people.
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Or it should, as far as I see it is futile anyway - no-one will convince anyone, it's just a power trip here and, in some cases, obvious trolling to provoke some reactions that will be used against the other part to score some points.
Isn't that what EF is all about?
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This thread is a total mess, everyone is discussing with everyone and replying to posts they didn't even have the patience to see to whom were they dedicated or what were they about. Of course I know that the UK has a strong immigration from these countries and it is not new. British citizens of Pakistani and Bangladeshi origins were also very eager to vote for Brexit, if you want me to back up my claims I will but it's so tiring, already covered in another thread. And this is so not the point. Their right to vote whatever they please.

I don't know what has Brexit effectively produced or whether it fulfilled people's hopes, if you look at Calais case for instance for sure UK is not so eager to accept undocumented immigrants. Even Germany has stopped repeating the welcome refrain, it's just too much in a very short time. You can't deny there aren't any issues, financial, cultural, economic associated with mass immigration. In general. Brexit, Trump, they are the effects of popular discontent and that discontent is rather big.

For sure there are many people who were racially motivated when voted for Brexit or for other infamous characters in various European elections, but if you think everyone not agreeing with the open gates policy is a racist then the discussion shouldn't continue. Or it should, as far as I see it is futile anyway - no-one will convince anyone, it's just a power trip here and, in some cases, obvious trolling to provoke some reactions that will be used against the other part to score some points. Aren't we too little and too insignificant to influence the due course of things? EF seems like a glass of water under a permanent storm. Trump wanted anyone to adhere to his nationalistic dogma and he doesn't even have to do anything for that, it's sufficient the left to play it as badly as before.

Of course everything is politically motivated and we don't even see the power games, the negotiations, the cynical deals. Now it's fashionable to demonise immigration, and in many cases I don't even think it's about that anymore. We're small people.
Wasn’t quite my point in my reply, it was that immigration from Muslim countries was not bringing in lots of potential extremists, as the minority of Muslims who are extremists, including those that have carried out repugnant acts of murder in Europe are more often second or third generation immigrants, so any control of immigration of potential terrorists through tougher border control as espoused by UKIP or other borderline nationalist organisation through leaving the EU were completely misguided.
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Wasn’t quite my point in my reply, it was that immigration from Muslim countries was not bringing in lots of potential extremists, as the minority of Muslims who are extremists, including those that have carried out repugnant acts of murder in Europe are more often second or third generation immigrants, so any control of immigration of potential terrorists through tougher border control as espoused by UKIP or other borderline nationalist organisation through leaving the EU were completely misguided.
Ukip has said many things that weren't true during the pro-Brexit campaign. But they're very smart (yeah yeah, progressive minds don't you ever underestimate anyone ) and knew exactl which buttons should they press. Couple that with the massive help of media (How's Rupert Murdoch doing these days?) and the indifference of some politicians who, allegedly, were supposed to keep the country in. I don't know if politicians in UK have that bad of a reputation like in my country (do you want to get rich or to get "comfortable" over a short period of time? Get in politics! Get in the wagon of the big corrupted! so it goes, you get the point) but for sure there are things people are not happy about. UKIP was waiting for this moment for decades - that's the very reason of their existence, when everything precipitated and converged into the same point they thought that's the moment. And they were right.

Better to accept the facts and move on. There will be border controls outside Schengen area for sure, even tougher than before. Countries that are supposed to buffer the Schengen area are always criticised for allowing illegals to get through. People claim they have no papers but admit their nationality when confronted with translators and interpreters. I don't know about the potential terrorists, is there anyone able to predict what the second of third generation will do? Things will go as you educate the immigrants or allow them to educate themselves and live according to the host country's values and how adaptable they are and how will they be encouraged to be part of a society. I already pointed out that there are Muslim communities who were not a fertile terrain for the religious "revolutions" in the ME. Some people should really learn from them.
But, a lot of things will change re. asylum and refugee policies. Not in Eastern Europe - which doesn't even have a "refugee problem", you'll see, but in your very own Western side of it. There's a lot of grandstanding and hypocrisy of course, but things will start from there.

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Isn't that what EF is all about?

Who knows what's EF about really. It started out like a nice platform for expats or foreigners living in CH. Since it's under the Local tutelage is going down to hell and it's just an open political website.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

OK, enough already.

This thread has gradually gone lower and lower, and now the anti-Islam posts have gone too far, being offensive, racist and inflammatory. And some of the replies are dangerously close to personal attacks too.

By all means feel free to argue the details over and over to your hearts' content, but if you can't be civil about it then please desist.
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Think of it as kettling.
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Finding people to kill/die in Muhammad's name?.. no sweat

What a load of crap!
So give us the name of such a person?
Geez, there's an estimated 20-30k ISIS fighters in Syria and Iraq alone. Maybe they have a Facebook page where you can get all their names? Well if you want some specific names, start with the UK concert bomber guy, and then read some other news stories about guys screaming "Alla Akbar!" and then killing/dying... there's plenty.
Can you find any recent stories about guys yelling something about Jesus, and then killing/dying in his name? Maybe, but no doubt that you'll have to really spend ALOT of time digging and searching to find something.
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