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Old 01.08.2018, 15:37
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Can you find any recent stories about guys yelling something about Jesus, and then killing/dying in his name? Maybe, but no doubt that you'll have to really spend ALOT of time digging and searching to find something.
No need to dig at all. My memory does stretch back to C.A.R. in 2014 and the Muslim exodus into neighbouring countries.
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Where do people mock Christians?

Nope, sorry complaining about church bells doesn’t count!

Parnell you and Kriss Kross and Capo, incessantly come on this Forum to post your distaste of immigrants, of which you are all!
None of us have "distaste" for anyone - but those who come here and take more than they give back to society - usually on false pretences. Every country has their own unproductive folks - none of them need or have a responsibility to take any more.

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Well I still think the only good fascist is a dead fascist!
Replace the word "fascist" with the word "socialist" if it is so difficult for you to see that such opinions are those of a violent thug.

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So what, are you a fascist then Parnell or would you have supported them in the 1930s? I assume you would have been on the side of Mussolini and Hitler then. Quite frankly I am extremely glad they didn’t win the war. Maybe you should tootle off back to your Hitler shrine.
Assume what you like - I have written extensively here that I favour a data driven society - if Irish people were behaving like drunken louts/ extracting benefits / causing crime in any society then they should suffer additional barriers to their entry in that same society.

Such a society of course is neither right nor left - but mercilessly fair.

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Old 01.08.2018, 15:50
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- if Irish people were behaving like drunken louts/ extracting benefits / causing crime in any society then they should suffer additional barriers to their entry in that same society.
And they did have that for quite a number of decades, most of it based upon a stereotype and now illegal.
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Old 01.08.2018, 16:02
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And they did have that for quite a number of decades, most of it based upon a stereotype and now illegal.
How much was "based on a stereotype" and how much was true ?

I'm in favour of a thorough examination of the facts in all cases , all ethnicities - and action based on those facts. Merely trying to shut down any kind of action has led to the Pakistani grooming gangs and massive problems of both crime
and integration across Europe. By doing so you feed the "far right" - hilarious when you consider the likes of Tommy Robinson is far more working class left than right.
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Old 01.08.2018, 16:36
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None of us have "distaste" for anyone - but those who come here and take more than they give back to society - usually on false pretences. Every country has their own unproductive folks - none of them need or have a responsibility to take any more.
Every independent study shows migrants and refugees financially benefit Europe, do you have any facts that show otherwise?

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Depending on the integration policy scenario and policy financing method, the annual long-run GDP effect would be 0.2% to 1.4% above the baseline growth, and the full repayment of the integration policy investment (positive net present value) would be achieved after 9 to 19 years.
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the economic benefits of migration are well established.
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In Switzerland and Luxembourg, where immigrants provide an estimated net benefit of about 2% of GDP to the public purse.
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Refugees from Syria, in particular, included a disproportionally high percentage of medical doctors and dentists – coveted professions in pre-war Syria, where the ratio of doctors to population used to be among the highest in the world.
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Assume what you like - I have written extensively here that I favour a data driven society - if Irish people were behaving like drunken louts...
This might sound unfair for which I apologize but we do have those bachelor parties, from the UK mainly, EasyJet loves those parties, boarding them to come drunk already. Leaving piles of puke and paying bills for ridiculously overpriced Pilsner. Just sayin'

They do come only for a weekend, though. Just enough time to clean up for the next round, next weekend. I bet they just like the spuds and freckled chicks?

The joys of globalised tourism.

There has been the International Chemistry Olympiad in CZ past few days. These things are very popular back there. A muslim boy, a smart educated one, has refused to stand on the medal step no. 1, next to an Israeli one (no. 2). The local audience and media has been revolted at the lack of sportmanship and people in the media debates requested disqualification for blatant racism. It is getting tough, even for kids, when politics go so far to pollute sports/science which is supposed to bring people together, not separate them.
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Old 01.08.2018, 17:06
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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No need to dig at all. My memory does stretch back to C.A.R. in 2014 and the Muslim exodus into neighbouring countries.
That's warring tribal groups, one of which is Muslim and one is Christian. It's not a global movement. It's not like this group of Christians is out to kill all non-Christians everywhere. They don't have branches in Europe, or mow down random tourists on beaches. They are at war with their neighbors specifically.



The Swiss, German, and basically all EU security reports have included Islamic terrorists specifically as a threat to peace and security in Europe. Not Christian, Jewish, Buddist, etc. What is your explanation for that?
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Old 01.08.2018, 17:42
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- hilarious when you consider the likes of Tommy Robinson is far more working class left than right.
Are you refering to Stephen Yaxley (a.k.a. Andrew McMaster / Paul Harris / Tommy Robinson), the son of Irish immigrants?

Are you assuming that because someone is working class, they must be left of centre?
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Old 01.08.2018, 17:46
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Every independent study shows migrants and refugees financially benefit Europe, do you have any facts that show otherwise?
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Immigration from outside Europe 'cost £120 billion'
New report shows immigration from outside Europe over the Labour government years cost the public purse billions of pounds, while recent migration from inside Europe generated a £4 billion surplus

Immigrants who came to live in Britain from outside Europe cost the public purse nearly £120 billion over 17 years, a new report has shown.

The major academic study also found, however, that recent immigration from Europe – driven by the surge in arrivals from eastern European – gave the economy a £4.4 billion boost over the same period.
The impact of the crimes visited upon the population is not included - when it is then the case for careful selection on the basis of nationality and education becomes obvious.
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Old 01.08.2018, 17:52
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Are you refering to Stephen Yaxley (a.k.a. Andrew McMaster / Paul Harris / Tommy Robinson), the son of Irish immigrants?
The clue was in the name

Also his father was English - not Irish.

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Are you assuming that because someone is working class, they must be left of centre?
Of course not - Robinson does not favour small government or a reduction in the welfare state.

Also you have chosen to ignore my question - how much of what was said about the Irish was true ?

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Old 01.08.2018, 17:55
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This might sound unfair for which I apologize but we do have those bachelor parties, from the UK mainly, EasyJet loves those parties, boarding them to come drunk already. Leaving piles of puke and paying bills for ridiculously overpriced Pilsner. Just sayin'
No need to apologize - the question is whether or not such people are net economic contributors - in terms of their consumption or whether the costs of policing them and inevitably the costs of the damage the do to the local population is worth it. That is logical and should be the same for all.
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The Swiss, German, and basically all EU security reports have included Islamic terrorists specifically as a threat to peace and security in Europe. Not Christian, Jewish, Buddist, etc. What is your explanation for that?
Racism, obviously
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Old 01.08.2018, 18:49
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Yes and I have posted it here before - but you have ignored it :

The impact of the crimes visited upon the population is not included - when it is then the case for careful selection on the basis of nationality and education becomes obvious.
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our main conclusions: immigration to the UK since 2000 has been of substantial net fiscal benefit, with immigrants contributing more than they have received in benefits and transfers.

Over the period from 1995 to 2011, immigrants who lived in the UK endowed the UK labour market with human capital that would have cost about £49bn if it were produced through the UK education system, and contributed about £82bn to fixed or ‘pure’ public goods.
"The impact of the crimes visited upon the population" is just speculation, not factual.
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Old 01.08.2018, 19:01
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

The report you guys are referencing just says "immigrants", doesn't seem to differentiate between educated immigrants who applied and came legally, versus those who burned their passport, jumped a fence and immediately claimed asylum.
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The clue was in the name

Also his father was English - not Irish.


Of course not - Robinson does not favour small government or a reduction in the welfare state.

Also you have chosen to ignore my question - how much of what was said about the Irish was true ?
Love how you defend scum like him, guilty of fraud, intent to supply class A drugs, travelling to the US on someone else's passport, etc...etc...etc....

The no Irish thing was largely before I was born, so how the hell would I know. I do know that my Irish surname stopped me from getting a job in the Civil Service.
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Virtue signalling is all well and good, until you actually have to deal with the problem.
Spanish town's mayor pleads for help after surge in migration

Spain has overtaken Italy as a preferred destination for migrant arrivals, but the country is struggling to cope with the influx
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Spanish town's mayor pleads for help after surge in migration

Spain has overtaken Italy as a preferred destination for migrant arrivals, but the country is struggling to cope with the influx
Spain is now also just about the only major EU country without an anti immigration party of any electoral significance.

I wonder for how much longer?
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Old 01.08.2018, 21:30
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Isn't quoting yourself in a post in an effort to show how much foresight you possess, the absolute pinnacle of 'virtue signalling'?
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Yes and I have posted it here before - but you have ignored it :
Yes.

And even if it's all fake and they do bring huge benefits.

The concept of democracy says we get to do whet people want, not necessarily what makes us most rich.

We would all be better financially off if we sold our second kidneys.

Have you done that yet Marton?
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Spanish town's mayor pleads for help after surge in migration

Spain has overtaken Italy as a preferred destination for migrant arrivals, but the country is struggling to cope with the influx

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The town's mayor, José Ignacio Landaluce, called it the "new Lampedusa" and asked for help with the growing number of arrivals.
He said: "I hope the EU is working on a global policy on this: it may be our problem initially, but tomorrow, or in a week's time, or a month's, it'll be at the heart of Europe."


Does this guy live in some gated villa without TV or internet access? LOL, hilarious to hear this from an elected official
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