Oh, if you put this way.. Barbarian is not a racist term per se, but in this context it seemed a lot like one. To me they seem like desperate people trying to immigrate to Europe. Yes, they may come from less developed counties, but I wouldn't call anyone like that (unless in jest, a joke with friends or smth)

Anyway, my point was that you can't just let people drawn in the Med. Why is it so difficult to understand? There are international rules and codes of conduct. That if you don't want to look at the problem in a simply humane way. What happens with people after that is also regulated by international rules. If you want to stop illegal immigration you have to tackle the problem at source.

.....but you must know that, don't you?

Oops, missed the decimal point. Sorry. Happens sometimes.


I guess spelling isn't your forte


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lieing

It's not at all, rescue them and return them to where they came from.

Any more red herrings?

But where do they come from?

Sudan, Eritrea, DRC, Africa is a huge continent. Many people fleeing war or persecution, or just economic migrants, are not going to be carrying much in the way of identification. Sending them back to their last point of departure is not sending them home, anyway they may be fleeing persecution and war, so in that case they would just as well die in the Med by your logic.

Apart from genuine refugees fleeing Syria, Yemen or South Sudan or other Predominantly Muslim countries, some of those fleeing are fleeing because they are not Muslim.

I don’t see what this topic has to do specifically with the thread.

But before we return them we must process them and check for genuine refugees.

Right, so you've confirmed your racism. You've just labelled the entire, diverse continent of Africa, and by implication, all who live there, as barbaric. It must be easy to distinguish these barbaric people from the sophisticated, refined people of Europe, mustn't it; those barbaric Africans are the black ones, right? So much more barbaric than the genocidal Serbs, for example, or of course the genocidal Germans of the 1930s–40s.

Have you ever been to Africa? Do you understand the heterogeneity and diversity of people in that huge continent? Do you have any comprehension of the ancient customs and traditions that instill family values, respect, all those "barbaric" concepts, in the millions of communities across Africa?

What makes you so "less barbaric"?

Oxford Dictionary
barbaric; Savagely cruel.

Cambridge Dictionary
barbaric; extremely cruel and unpleasant

Well, of course, blanket statements labelling a whole continent as barbaric are racist by definition.

Four African countries are in the top 30 of the Press Freedom Index. UK was no. 40 and the US no. 45.
Egypt, the cradle of civilisation, is barbaric?
Holiday destinations like Madagascar, Seychelles, Mauritius and more are barbaric?

I said that I believe, in general, Africa to be a more barbaric place than Europe and I stand by that.

Sure, Europe has also had a barbaric history and committed horrible acts - but if you're willing to admit and discuss that then you should do Africa the same, and not refrain from criticising them because of their skin colour.

I think he just means simply to bring them back to the point where the boat came from (eg. Morocco, a safe country, BTW), not return each individual to their respective home countries. That is a headache, as you and any EU migration officer can easily recognize...



There's currently plenty of war, savagery, etc.. many of these reasons are justified in giving asylum to African people in the EU. ...but to point out that Africa is not really a nice, safe place is considered "racist" by some people? Ok, LOL... the sword has two edges

Lol, as usual you completely miss the point yet again, not only did you generalise a whole continent, you had to throw the little I shouldn’t criticize them based on skin colour statement to defend your ignorance. Twonk. I do often wonder why we bother to reply to your posts!

"skin colour", and you claim not to be racist?

Do you mean the light beige skin of the San or the deep black skin of the Dinka?
Source

But he did not say "Africa is not really a nice, safe place" but Africa is "barbaric" which is a racist generalisation? Your sword seems to be askew

Saying Ireland has a lot more alcoholics than say Saudi Arabia does not equate to saying Ireland is full of alcoholics.

comparative
kəmˈparətɪv/Submit
adjective
1.
measured or judged by estimating the similarity or dissimilarity between one thing and another; relative.
"he returned to the comparative comfort of his own home"
synonyms: relative, qualified, modified; in/by comparison
"they left the city for the comparative cool of the country"
2.
involving the systematic observation of the similarities or dissimilarities between two or more branches of science or subjects of study.
"comparative religion"

Whilst at the same time a young lady in Milan escaped being raped by a Nigerian asylum seeker who had quite the criminal record..

On the "genocidal Serbs" - I tend to agree - they have had a particularly poor record when it comes to violence against their near neighbours - and indeed are over represented in Swiss crime statistics - therefore they should suffer higher barriers to entry.

If you could travel back in time to the 1930s I would fully agree with your contentions about the Germans.

Lol, dictionary definitions!

Nigeria is also home to Christians, this thread is about what exactly? Surely not your new anti immigration platform!

If people - left , right or centre wish to learn from the mistakes of the past they will wish to call those mistakes out for what they are - as per Marseilles , Paris St. Denis and so on.

I'd highly recommend and especially to those who think of me as right-wing a read of the following article by the young black economist and philisopher Coleman Hughes on "Black American Culture and the Racial Wealth Gap".

I will grant you that the article title (the article itself which is full of statistics) is not immediately pertinent to that of this thread but just a very quick taste :

Have a good weekend fellow EFers.

"Africa has enormous problems with war, persecution and a lack of human rights, that's why so many are trying to escape and that's why Europe needs to help them"

"How dare you say Africa is a more barbaric place than Europe, that's racist"

C'mon, read again the sentence. Context is everything. He didn't say only that. I don't want to make a huge deal because of a word, in all fairness I've seen worse than that here, but one should be more careful with words....and first of all with generalisations.


Btw, I bet many (most?) of those coming by boat to Italy are from countries where Christians are either persecuted, or simply from countries where Christians form a significant part of the population. So it's a mixed crowd, what does that have to do with the thread's title..

"Africa" another generalization; it is a few individual African countries that have these problems.

There is a war in Ukraine and lack of human rights in Russia so using your definition is Europe also barbaric?

...but it's not such a bad thing to be barbaric, trust me.


How things change, eh?