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Old 04.08.2018, 14:25
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...but it's not such a bad thing to be barbaric, trust me.
I do not want a crime riddled country , I do not wish to fear for my childrens' safety. I do not wish to live in a gated community. Therefore no I will not trust you.
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More like its leaders are Barbarians not exactly the population.
I disagree, but who really cares anyway?

The people with their knickers in a knot about generalisations about Africa will not care about generalisations about Russia.
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Old 04.08.2018, 14:49
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More like its leaders are Barbarians not exactly the population.
Exactly, if the criteria are as KK posted "problems with war, persecution and a lack of human rights" then it is the leaders.
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Old 04.08.2018, 18:07
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I disagree, but who really cares anyway?

The people with their knickers in a knot about generalisations about Africa will not care about generalisations about Russia.
It doesn't matter. Don't confuse bad management and organisational skills with the culture and the potential of its people.

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I do not want a crime riddled country , I do not wish to fear for my childrens' safety. I do not wish to live in a gated community. Therefore no I will not trust you.
Lol, you really missed the point entirely....
Anyway.... then we'd be living like in USA - a civilised, non-barbaric country...isn't it?...See what I did here? Please, let's not start a parallel discussion, I'm (half) joking now.

I understand there are problems and there are fears, and letting everyone in is not a sustainable solution re. Africa or parts of Asia, but this type of replies are exactly the reason for which I wouldn't trust a certain segment of the political spectrum to deal with serious issues like this.

Indubitably, there are some historical and cultural gaps between the two continents (I'm not Marton hehe) but what I would call some rather tragic situations are politicised in a very cruel and cynical way. If you are against open borders and want to discuss about this subject maybe it's better to keep some decorum, otherwise nobody will be interested in what you have to say.

Whatever, each to their own. Stagnant discussions! Yep, a good term, have to thank someone on EF that nailed it again...

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Old 05.08.2018, 12:18
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The prime minister has even said he wants to dismantle the barbed wire fence in Ceuta. Imagine what would happen once that fence is gone.

Maybe he is about to pull a Merkel here and accelerate things.
I agree. It is not very efficient, imho. It uses normally functioning societies as pawns in a political game of egotistic politicians. It actually negates all the work that has been put in functioning societies.

Stagnant discussions, gm?

Allowing opposing views to be heard is not stagnant. Open any sanitized discussions on the internet once....what can one learn there? How can you challenge people's opinions if you don't let them speak? Some people will always consider opposing views as hostile. It is a shame, indeed.

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Lol, you really missed the point entirely....
Anyway.... then we'd be living like in USA - a civilised, non-barbaric country...isn't it?...See what I did here? Please, let's not start a parallel discussion, I'm (half) joking now.
Yes you didn't check where the greatest crime rates in that country are and those who perpetrate those crimes disproportionally - in particular immigrants from certain countries. As I pointed out before - barbarism is not binary - it is a spectrum.



On the topic of culture and racism Coleman Hughes again has something to say:

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Those who agree that top-down cultural reform is naïve might still object that bottom-up reform is equally quixotic. How, exactly, does one go about changing something as complex and distributed as culture? On this point, the history of formerly lagging ethnic groups is instructive. Whether measured by rates of alcoholism, high school graduation, or income, Irish-Americans used to lag far behind other American ethnic groups.23 As one point of reference, the incarceration rate for Irish-Americans was five times higher than for German-Americans in 1904. The response? While some Irish leaders blamed society, others, notably those in the Catholic Church, launched an inward-looking campaign to change behavioral patterns within the Irish community.24 Similar efforts were made by acculturated German-American Jews, whose stern programs of assimilation for their less-cultured Eastern European co-religionists included giving them “pointed lessons on the use of soap and water,” according to Sowell.25
The story is the same in Europe - with the most crime ridden areas of the major metropolii such as Paris (St. Denis) or Stockholm (Rinkeby) or Brussels (Molenbeek) all having the same characteristic. To do precisely the same thing and expect different outcomes is madness as the old saying goes.
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I disagree, but who really cares anyway?

The people with their knickers in a knot about generalisations about Africa will not care about generalisations about Russia.
I see sweeping generalisation is now cause for banning. Best be careful or soon it'll only be marton left on here.

'Actually, 27.37% of Africa is indeed not barbaric; but first allow me to quantify the term "barbaric"...'
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Old 05.08.2018, 14:34
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Yes you didn't check where the greatest crime rates in that country are and those who perpetrate those crimes disproportionally - in particular immigrants from certain countries. As I pointed out before - barbarism is not binary - it is a spectrum.



On the topic of culture and racism Coleman Hughes again has something to say:

The story is the same in Europe - with the most crime ridden areas of the major metropolii such as Paris (St. Denis) or Stockholm (Rinkeby) or Brussels (Molenbeek) all having the same characteristic. To do precisely the same thing and expect different outcomes is madness as the old saying goes.
You label the black people in the US as immigrants? Many were brought in as slaves and treated appallingly.

What comes around goes around.
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Old 05.08.2018, 15:16
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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"Aren't they a rugby team?"
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Old 05.08.2018, 15:22
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I see sweeping generalisation is now cause for banning. Best be careful or soon it'll only be marton left on here.

'Actually, 27.37% of Africa is indeed not barbaric; but first allow me to quantify define the term "barbaric"...'
ftfy, you did already quantify the term "barbaric" as 72.63%
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The conversation in our house:
"Do you know you're a barbarian?"
"Aren't they a rugby team?"
Ah, well then.. 'tis no wonder the heat doesn't bother you.

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Ah, well then.. 'tis no wonder the heat doesn't bother you.

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I always thought the term has something sexy in it...
Which makes how much of Africa sexy?
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Old 05.08.2018, 15:37
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Ah, well then.. 'tis no wonder the heat doesn't bother you.
He's actually worn a jumper in the evening within the last week so that he "doesn't catch a chill"
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Old 05.08.2018, 15:40
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You label the black people in the US as immigrants? Many were brought in as slaves and treated appallingly.

What comes around goes around.
I think you could add a lot more to that as well, not only were many African Americans enslaved in the US, segregation existed well into the later half of the 20th Century. Not forgetting, that the population of America is almost entirely built on immigration, of all nationalities, colours and religious backgrounds. Let’s also cut to the chase here, because this thread is well off topic and some numpties are showing their true racist colours but hiding behind misleading figures while trying to paint a black and white picture, that pun, btw, was intended.
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"skin colour", and you claim not to be racist?

Do you mean the light beige skin of the San or the deep black skin of the Dinka?
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Consider the full (half-)sentence, marton, rather than take a two-word term that piques your interest out of context.

Hint: It's about
"and not refrain from criticising them because of their skin colour."
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You label the black people in the US as immigrants? Many were brought in as slaves and treated appallingly.
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Not forgetting, that the population of America is almost entirely built on immigration, of all nationalities, colours and religious backgrounds.
So which is it? What's the term for a slave once s/he's been transported to a differenet country, what are they if not immigrants? (Even though the country didn't exist yet back then)

Pehaps they should be called inports, from the Latin portare, to carry, and "in" as in "into the country".
But what would that make transports? Trans people that get carried across the border?
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Of course not - maybe if you read the link you might have understood but of course no - not you.

You think that blacks killing everyone - but mostly other blacks is a form of revenge ??

Little bit of history for you which I'm sure you'd love to explain:

Let's let the whole wacist nonsense die here :
So why for ffs do you keep bringing it up? You and a few others are constantly mixing up these threads up with a myriad of different topics, mostly revolving around race. What’s the title of the thread again? Personally I find the title of this thread offensive and think it should be closed, it’s only used by a few to post up some incident to validate their anti immigrant or racist sentiment.
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Stagnant discussions, gm?

Allowing opposing views to be heard is not stagnant. Open any sanitized discussions on the internet once....what can one learn there? How can you challenge people's opinions if you don't let them speak? Some people will always consider opposing views as hostile. It is a shame, indeed.

All I care about as a member is plurality. All I care about as a mod is decency and civility.
But that's the thing, that no-one is really challenging anyone else's opinion. Everyone is looking to advance and legitimise their own views. I think the classics were right and people don't change.

As far as I noticed this forum started to be more....let's say equitable in terms of controversial opinions being expressed here, especially political ones. It's funny, a couple of years ago it was so predictable, I knew exactly which posts are going to be largely approved, which ones just tolerated, which ones strongly disapproved. And I don't think the reasons behind this forum dynamics were always ingenuous, or always fair.

Sanitising...I don't think this is the word I prefer. Some self-restraint and humbleness maybe, this was exactly what the forum lacked in my opinion when I took it a bit more seriously than I do now, and it currently lacks too. I don't want pc... maybe if people could return to classic values and stop behaving "nicely" or "not so nicely" according to some fashion in politics and headlines in the papers? I feel like they're constantly taught how to think these days - through media, political parties. I don't believe this is progress. Good quality info re. impacts of immigration, cultural differences etc would be welcomed as far as I'm concerned, if that's all this thread is about in the end. But this stuff has no place on internet forums because they're usually too boring. Fast links and insufficiently reviewed info, internet is full of it. And it's abundant even here.

I don't like what left wing is all about these days, but neither the right wing. It's too polarised.

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Right, so you've confirmed your racism. You've just labelled the entire, diverse continent of Africa, and by implication, all who live there, as barbaric. It must be easy to distinguish these barbaric people from the sophisticated, refined people of Europe, mustn't it; those barbaric Africans are the black ones, right? So much more barbaric than the genocidal Serbs, for example, or of course the genocidal Germans of the 1930s–40s.

Have you ever been to Africa? Do you understand the heterogeneity and diversity of people in that huge continent? Do you have any comprehension of the ancient customs and traditions that instill family values, respect, all those "barbaric" concepts, in the millions of communities across Africa?

What makes you so "less barbaric"?
Generalisations are a good thing. Without them no one would ever get to the point, anecdotes would be never ending, jokes wouldn't work and comedy would suffer. Discussion would be boring without generalisatoins and if everyone had to be precise all of the time (a seemingly growing expectation on here it seems).

Even though most generalisations are nonsense, there is more often than not an element of truth to them. Kriss Kross made a tongue in cheek remark and then clarified it with a reasonable response for which you branded him a racist.

Generally speaking, Africa is far more barbaric than Europe, that's to say the entire heterogeneity and diversity of people in that huge continent is more barbaric than Europe. The evidence is there: Mass sexual assault in Egypt, Lynchings in Mozambique, Widespread prevalence of FGM, Genocide in Rwanda, Mass amputations in Sierra Leone, some of the world's highest rates of violent crime in South Africa, land expropriation in Zimbabwe, widespread abuses of democracy. I could go on, so I will: Child sacrifice in Uganda, widespread practice of witchcraft in Sub Saharan Africa, the Osu caste system, Famine in Ethiopia, Ethnic cleansing in South Sudan, Kidnappings in Nigeria, the spread of Ebola through the practice of eating bush meat and handling of dead corpses, Beheadings in Libya, the widespread prevalence of slavery...

This list goes on and on and on. To label someone as racist for pointing this out is not only lazy, but thoroughly ignorant. That your fellow mod banned him in part for "racist" postings shows a lack judgement for which they should probably have a word with themselves.
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