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Old 06.08.2018, 15:54
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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You know that these misleading statistics have often been discussed here?

There are more foreigners in prison because it is the practice here not to grant bail to accused foreigners awaiting trial whereas Swiss citizens can wait at home..

The conviction rate for foreigners is higher because the police usually let off first offences by Swiss citizens with a warning. They see this as crime prevention which is their main task.

Anyway these numbers are 20 years old, there are numbers available for last year
Can you please provide links with statistics to each of the three claims you make above ?
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Is it so difficult to understand?

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Old 06.08.2018, 15:55
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Can you please provide links with statistics to each of the three claims you make above ?
This weeks mantra is "Do your own research"
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Old 06.08.2018, 15:58
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

In this instance, we were discussing pejorative terms. My point that while leftist can sometimes be used as a pejorative, bigot and racist are 100% pejoratives.

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Leftist is a generalisation that often does not apply, there are many shades of opinion that lazy people often concatenate und then use in a pejorative sense.

I have some liberal views but am not anti capitalist, for example.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:00
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It is, quite clearly. Use the Report button and it will be removed. There are no double standards here, but we're not superhuman so rely on members bringing such things to our attention, rather than just using them to justify their own aggressive postings.
If calling a poster a fool for not bothering to read the post they quote is the standard then you would reasonably have to delete much of the board .

However if you commit to that standard I'd have no problem with that so long as the playing field is level.

Otherwise the sensitivity as to what constitutes a personal attack is open to question - as I tried to point out to you by PM.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:03
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This weeks mantra is "Do your own research"
Sorry, not my idea
From yesterday :

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You do not provide any source for your claims of voting fraud.
Then you abuse me because I do not do the google searches that you yourself ought to do to support your own flimsy claims.

Why should I try "to educate myself" simply because you cannot be bothered to substantiate your own claims?
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In this instance, we were discussing pejorative terms. My point that while leftist can sometimes be used as a pejorative, bigot and racist are 100% pejoratives.
Not really true...

http://www.philly.com/philly/columni...-20171107.html

One example from plenty of people who are proud of being racist or bigoted and don't see it as a pejorative term.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:18
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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From yesterday :
Dinah Washington: What Difference A Day Makes

The eloquence of some EF colleagues convinced me.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:26
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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From yesterday :
In case you keep nagging how about this?
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Three Britons have been held for seven weeks without charge in Switzerland over "minor driving offences" during an organised motoring holiday.

The men were taking part in the Cannon Run, a European driving tour. They were arrested on 4 June and have been held in custody since without bail.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:36
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Oh sweet Jeebus... takes us back to my original discussion with Marton. You can always find something on the internet to support just about any position you want to take.

StirB, you win the internet today!

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http://www.philly.com/philly/columni...-20171107.html

One example from plenty of people who are proud of being racist or bigoted and don't see it as a pejorative term.
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Old 06.08.2018, 16:58
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In case you keep nagging how about this?


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I just called you on your claims (politely) - you couldn't back them up - as expected.
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Oh sweet Jeebus... takes us back to my original discussion with Marton. You can always find something on the internet to support just about any position you want to take.

StirB, you win the internet today!
Well, it was just that you were so definitive in stating that it is negative 100% of the time, which it clearly ain't.
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Old 07.08.2018, 09:55
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Every time a “refugee or immigrant” commits a crime in Europe you use it as evidence to back your claims, when in relation to actual crime rates those offenders that are “immigrants” remain relatively small. Just saying.
That is because immigrants are always mentioned in a negative context while people conveniently forget who's cooking our food, cleaning our hotel room, selling us stuff in shops, etc etc etc. It's hard for anyone watching the 24/hour news rat race to distinguish between people.

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Er no. Sorry to tell you that generalisation is not always acceptable. It’s how it’s presented, if it’s negatively representative of a minority or denigrating them for others amusement that’s wrong. That’s not to say cultural stereotyping is always bad. But it’s how it’s used.

I feel that this topic has also been covered before and I quite get your anti-PC stance, I find the sanitized PC world can also be OTT, but in the end why do you feel it’s OK to offend somebody based on their culture or racial profile?
Exactly.

Why someone feels it's OK to offend other person because of their culture or racial profile? Because it makes them feel better about themselves. Because they have some deep, unresolved issues. Because they're cruel. Because this is their idea of having fun. There's a myriad of good explanations. I don't know and I don't care. The moment you give too much attention to this shit you empower them. But I doubt that people are so imprudent in real life. Although if you are to believe everything you read here...

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That is because immigrants are always mentioned in a negative context while people conveniently forget who's cooking our food, cleaning our hotel room, selling us stuff in shops, etc etc etc. It's hard for anyone watching the 24/hour news rat race to distinguish between people.

And creating and installing major computer systems
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And creating and installing major computer systems
Yep, quite so. Recently we had dinner in a restaurant that has a very interesting webpage, not only can you find info re.the food they serve, make your reservations online, but also you can check out the team they employ. So for my amusement I did check it out - half of Africa and half of Europe were represented there - some in the kitchen, some in marketing, cleaning,etc. Our waiter for instance was Hungarian. The food, service, everything was very good. People can work together. I think we should focus more on bringing people together not dividing them. In the same spirit, I also don't think it's a good idea to point out every single act of "racism" and "sexism" and make a big deal out of it. All people can be jerks, including minorities.

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Why someone feels it's OK to offend other person because of their culture or racial profile? Because it makes them feel better about themselves. Because they have some deep, unresolved issues. Because they're cruel. Because this is their idea of having fun. There's a myriad of good explanations. I don't know and I don't care. The moment you give too much attention to this shit you empower them. But I doubt that people are so imprudent in real life. Although if you are to believe everything you read here...
It's fine to offend (speak the truth) about other cultures, because some cultures are better than others. It's not OK to make jokes about race. HTH.
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It's fine to offend (speak the truth) about other cultures, because some cultures are better than others. It's not OK to make jokes about race. HTH.
Depends on what you call the "truth". Some people visit a country for 2 weeks and write a book or more. These days (edit: nah, not only these days..) it's sufficient to have some semi-coherent and semi-logical narrative about a place or a group and you can be called an "expert".

Going back to immigration, I stand by what I wrote above and still affirm that people can work together.
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Old 07.08.2018, 11:39
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Why someone feels it's OK to offend other person because of their culture or racial profile?
You mean like the Cologne cover-up ? Governments have agendas - just as people do - reporting the unvarnished truth is never a bad thing.

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To report nationwide survey data on driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs (DUI) among U.S. ethnic groups. Data come from a probability sample of 39,250 adults 18 years of age and older interviewed by the U.S. National Household Survey on Drug Abuse in 2000. Interviews averaging 1h in length were conducted in respondents' homes by trained interviewers. The survey response rate was 74%. Self-reported rates of DUI were highest among White men (22%), Native American/Native Alaskan men (20.8%) and men of Mixed race (22.5%). Twelve-month arrest rates for DUI were highest among men of Mixed race (5%) and Native American/Native Alaskan men (3.2%). Drinkers who DUI are more likely to be men (regardless of ethnicity), not married, consume more alcohol, and be alcohol dependent than drinkers who do not engage in alcohol-impaired driving. However, important ethnic specific predictors are also identified across the different ethnic groups.
Driving under the influence (DUI) among US ethnic groups | Request PDF. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._ethnic_groups [accessed Aug 07 2018].
As a white male I don't feel offended by the above - in a data driven society white males should pay more for alcohol. Also the police should stop more white males when driving to check for drunkenness.

Why should it be any different for any other sub section of society ? Nothing to do with race - everything to do with truth.
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Depends on what you call the "truth". Some people visit a country for 2 weeks and write a book or more. These days (edit: nah, not only these days..) it's sufficient to have some semi-coherent and semi-logical narrative about a place or a group and you can be called an "expert".

Going back to immigration, I stand by what I wrote above and still affirm that people can work together.
Go and work together with some cannibals. Write a book on how you get on.
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It's fine to offend (speak the truth) about other cultures, because some cultures are better than others. It's not OK to make jokes about race. HTH.
Isn't that all a bit subjective? How can one culture be "better" than another?
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