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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I think it is pretty clear. If people go to a Sharia court to sort out this sort of issues (minor or even non-issues IMO) I dont see any reason for which they should not.


Because most aspects of life aren't governed by Islamic Law. Most aspects of life for Muslims are governed by the law of the land.


Speeding, for example, is not forbidden by biblical or koranic law. So it would be pretty silly to take it to a sharia court.


If you're not sure whether you're allowed to eat a certain type of meat, than it would be equally silly to take it to a magistrate.
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Old 17.03.2016, 18:19
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Speeding, for example, is not forbidden by biblical or koranic law.
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Now that would have been difficult at that time...
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Old 18.03.2016, 11:40
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According to your source figh is defined as Islamic jurisprudence.
Obviously, and that's exactly my point. If I have to chose between an anonymous poster's claims/definitions and something farely reliable like wiki I'll chose wiki.

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The bolded section could apply to any country that has ever used biblical law as a source for statutes. Or, every European country. There clearly is a scale of secularity, and different statutes simply fall on different points on this scale. Examples include restrictions on abortion, grounded on the fact that it is forbidden under biblical law.
Quite the contrary.

Europe struggled for centuries to remove the influence of religion in law, a core aspect of what's called the Enlightenment. These days secular law reigns supreme over what's left of religious law in every case, and that's to remain as it is.

If you want to settle your private dispute based on whatever method you chose, and your opponent(s) agree(s) that's just fine, provided that settlement covers matters of civil law only. You can do that already, that's your personal decision, no need at all to make it official.
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Obviously, and that's exactly my point. If I have to chose between an anonymous poster's claims/definitions and something farely reliable like wiki I'll chose wiki.


Quite the contrary.

Europe struggled for centuries to remove the influence of religion in law, a core aspect of what's called the Enlightenment. These days secular law reigns supreme over what's left of religious law in every case, and that's to remain as it is.

If you want to settle your private dispute based on whatever method you chose, and your opponent(s) agree(s) that's just fine, provided that settlement covers matters of civil law only. You can do that already, that's your personal decision, no need at all to make it official.

Wikipedia? Fairly reliable? lol, ok then.




Unless you can name a legal system in Europe that has never used any religious text as an inspiration for codified statute, my point stands.


These days secular law reigns supreme over what's left of religious law in every case, and that's to remain as it is.


The same thing will happen to sharia interpretation of Islamic law. Precisely what I said.


no need at all to make it official

I'm not sure if you're meaning to, but you're basically saying the same thing I am. so, yeah, thanks for that.
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Old 26.03.2016, 21:48
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Sun newspaper ordered to admit a British Muslims story was 'significantly misleading'.
The Sun has been ordered to print a statement acknowledging that its claims that one in five British Muslims supported people who have gone to Syria to fight for jihadi groups such as Islamic State were significantly misleading.

The Sun quoted from a survey but actually the survey did not have a question that supported this statement

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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The same thing will happen to sharia interpretation of Islamic law. Precisely what I said.

That's quite an assertion. What evidence leads you to that conclusion?
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Old 27.03.2016, 21:55
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

http://www.salzburg.com/nachrichten/...Gd3ww.facebook

An Austrian newspaper reports that a priest has been crucified on Good Friday in Yemen. It was not confirmed by his order.
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Old 27.03.2016, 22:27
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An Austrian newspaper reports that a priest has been crucified on Good Friday in Yemen. It was not confirmed by his order.
Sounds like Easter is a busy time for Islamic extremists....

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A suicide bomber killed at least 65 people, mostly women and children, at a park in Lahore on Sunday in an attack claimed by a Pakistani Taliban faction which said it had targeted Christians.
More than 300 other people were wounded, officials said.
The explosion occurred in the parking area of Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park close to children's swings. The park is a popular site for members of Lahore's Christian community, many of whom had gone there to celebrate the Easter weekend holiday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pa...-idUSKCN0WT0HR
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An Austrian newspaper reports that a priest has been crucified on Good Friday in Yemen. It was not confirmed by his order.
Moreover, the order denied any and all rumors as recently as two days ago:
"Fr Uzhunnalil has been missing since March 4 and since then we have no information from credible sources and no group has so far claimed responsibility for this crime. These rumours [about the priest being tortured, getting killed on good friday] having been going on for quite some time. We don’t subscribe to any of them"
"We are not going by false rumours where the origins are unverifiable"

So far all newspaper articles are based on Kardinal Schönborn's statement.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Islam is a religion of peace and good. Real muslim who practice islam in the proper way are very good people. The problem nowadays is that psychos use islam and turn it to extreme mode and use it to do the worst crimes. Noone should be judged just by some information the media give about certian people
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Old 28.04.2016, 11:32
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Islam is a religion of peace and good. Real muslim who practice islam in the proper way are very good people. The problem nowadays is that psychos use islam and turn it to extreme mode and use it to do the worst crimes. Noone should be judged just by some information the media give about certian people
And what is the proper way and who can say a person is "good" because of their religion and not because of their particular personality, education and everything else that shapes our behaviour. How about this: islam is like every other religion. People who practice it are of different kinds - some very, very good people, some very bad people and the rest of them every nuance in between, and more than anything else just humans, with all the good and the bad attached to this condition.
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Islam is a religion of peace and good. Real muslim who practice islam in the proper way are very good people. The problem nowadays is that psychos use islam and turn it to extreme mode and use it to do the worst crimes. Noone should be judged just by some information the media give about certian people
Who defines real Muslims? Sufis? Ahmedis? Shias? Gays? Apostates? You? Actions of Mohammed and his followers? ISIS? Minorities who have been persecuted by Islam over centuries? Not that straightforward is it?

I don't judge Islam based on what media reports neither do I judge it by what some Islam love struck Muslim writes on the forum. I go to the source. I read Quran, Hadith, Life of Mohammed, actions of his hardcore followers (not cherry picking followers like you). The conclusion I come to is damning. It is anything but a religion of peace from non Muslim point of view. If anything how any sensible person can be follower of such an ideology is beyond my comprehension.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

I wish people in general would talk so much less about religion. If anything, religion belongs to the private sphere. This sort of discussions - how wonderful are people belonging to a certain "herd" (defined by either religion or race, or nationality, sexual orientation) are deeply embarrassing.
As a side note - I noticed that some of those who like to make a point about them being fervent Christians are also the least pleasant or interesting persons I ever met.
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If anything, religion belongs to the private sphere.
Maybe according to you but for many propagating their religion is a very important duty. Cookie monster God hands out special afterlife cookies to such good minions.
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I wish people in general would talk so much less about religion. If anything, religion belongs to the private sphere. This sort of discussions - how wonderful are people belonging to a certain "herd" (defined by either religion or race, or nationality, sexual orientation) are deeply embarrassing.
Couldn't agree with you more.

Religion was the source of so many arguements in my family growing up, that my brother and I both have no interest in it. I much prefer meeting people as they are, and gradually getting to know them.

Some classics... When my cousin brought her boyfriend (now husband) home for the first time, it was like a scene from 'Guess Whose Coming To Dinner'. This was back in the early 80's when mixed race marriages still caused a few raised eye brows. If there's one person in my family who is universally and unconditionally loved, it's this wonderful man. He's recently retired from his lifelong career as a hospice nurse and has been an absolute rock to my family through many events. It was two or three years before I realised he's Jewish.

I was on a work trip to London with a close friend and colleague, and we were much the worse for free drinks, when he mentioned an ex boyfriend. I got up the courage to say...
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An Austrian newspaper reports that a priest has been crucified on Good Friday in Yemen. It was not confirmed by his order.
According to the dailymail this turned out to be simply not true:
Indian priest feared crucified in Yemen is safe and efforts are being made for him to be released as soon as possible, Indian minister confirms
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Islam does not adapt to Europe. Europe adapts to Islam.

Election fraud allowed to take place in Muslim communities because of 'political correctness', report warns
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Islam became part of Europe in 1453
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Constantinople
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Hatchets and harpoons on the beach now...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37077837

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French media report that the trouble began around 18:15 (16:15 GMT) when tourists took photos of women bathing - one report quotes a girl as saying the women were wearing burkinis.
According to the newspaper Le Figaro (in French), some of the older men in the bathing party attacked a group of local teenagers on the beach with hatchets.
When the teenagers' parents arrived from the village, two of them were injured with harpoons. Villagers allegedly then set alight cars belonging to the bathers.
North Africans at it again.
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"Armed with HARPOONS"

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