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Hatchets and harpoons on the beach now...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37077837


North Africans at it again.
You have to admit, the Burkini ban certainly looks like an act of retribution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37062354

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David Lisnar issued the ordinance on the grounds that burkinis, which are popular with Muslim women, "could risk disrupting public order while France was the target of terrorist attacks".

He also said burkinis were a "symbol of Islamic extremism" which are "not respectful of [the] good morals and secularism" upon which the French state was founded.
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Old 14.08.2016, 22:30
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You have to admit, the Burkini ban certainly looks like an act of retribution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37062354
It might be an act of retribution or it might be - like the Swiss ban on minarets - a notice to the newcomers without any real teeth - if you wish to stay here you will integrate or else you are not welcome.
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It might be an act of retribution or it might be - like the Swiss ban on minarets - a notice to the newcomers without any real teeth - if you wish to stay here you will integrate or else you are not welcome.
But then the judge might have been honest enough to say "These people need to be taught a lesson, therefore all beaches will be forthright nude, and everyone must eat a bacon sandwich."
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But then the judge might have been honest enough to say "These people need to be taught a lesson, therefore all beaches will be forthright nude, and everyone must eat a bacon sandwich."
Would make the harpoons and hatchets a little more conspicuous for sure.
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You have to admit, the Burkini ban certainly looks like an act of retribution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37062354
Its a stupid name for what is essentially a full body wet suit with hood.. as modelled by the lovely Nigella Lawson



France seems to have an unhealthy obsession with women's clothing, bordering on hysteria.
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Its a stupid name for what is essentially a full body wet suit with hood.. as modelled by the lovely Nigella Lawson



France seems to have an unhealthy obsession with women's clothing, bordering on hysteria.
That is what I mean. Hardly a security risk.
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Would make the harpoons and hatchets a little more conspicuous for sure.
And even if they were armed, with one hand keeping your bap sand free...
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Some Corsicans still not happy.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yVbHeIvTO8

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37082637
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France Islam seems to have an unhealthy obsession with women's clothing, bordering on hysteria.
Fixed that for ya

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You have to admit, the Burkini ban certainly looks like an act of retribution.
Why? It's a form of religious repression against women, that's not compatible with the Western values of society where women are equals to men. The burka in general should be banned from Europe.

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That is what I mean. Hardly a security risk.
Probably not, but swimming fully clothed could increase the risk of drowning.
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Would make the harpoons and hatchets a little more conspicuous for sure.
"Is that a harpoon in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"
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Why? It's a form of religious repression against women, that's not compatible with the Western values of society where women are equals to men. The burka in general should be banned from Europe.
I agree with this. I have no problem with fully covered bodies and heads, but the face being covered is a big no-no, and in my view inimical to our society for the reasons I laid out in the Burkha ban thread.

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It's also much less hygenic.
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Fixed that for ya


Why? It's a form of religious repression against women, that's not compatible with the Western values of society where women are equals to men. The burka in general should be banned from Europe.


Probably not, but swimming fully clothed could increase the risk of drowning.
You believe the burka should be banned. I don't think that such a ban, either local or widespread, would make the slightest positive difference to the current security situation which the ban supposedly improves, given that I've seen news reports of Corsicans surrounding apartment buildings containing Muslims.

Nude sunbathing also increases the risk of skin cancer, smoking and alcohol also claim lives, I submit to you that the ban was not imposed out of concern for the safety of those wearing them. Even if that were the intent, it seems to have backfired in this instance.

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You believe the burka should be banned. I don't think that such a ban, either local or widespread, would make the slightest positive difference to the current security situation which the ban supposedly improves, given that I've seen news reports of Corsicans surrounding apartment buildings containing Muslims.

Nude sunbathing also increases the risk of skin cancer, smoking and alcohol also claim lives, I submit to you that the ban was not imposed out of concern for the safety of those wearing them. Even if that were the intent, it seems to have backfired in this instance.
You are right in as far as banning burkas, or banning minarets, does nothing to directly force Muslims to integrate or learn the language or lower the risk of them beiung radicalized.

As such it is window dressing.

In troubled times those in power are required to be seen to be doing something, as the alternative often appears to be to keep on doing as we have until now, and obviously that didn't work.

But sometimes when you have an angry lynch mob outside, giving them a token apeasement such as this may calm them down and make them go home as they feel that for once they are being listened to. It's ultra short termist thinking on the part of those in power, but so is basically everything they do.
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You are right in as far as banning burkas, or banning minarets, does nothing to directly force Muslims to integrate or learn the language or lower the risk of them beiung radicalized.

As such it is window dressing.

In troubled times those in power are required to be seen to be doing something, as the alternative often appears to be to keep on doing as we have until now, and obviously that didn't work.

But sometimes when you have an angry lynch mob outside, giving them a token apeasement such as this may calm them down and make them go home as they feel that for once they are being listened to. It's ultra short termist thinking on the part of those in power, but so is basically everything they do.
Why should banning burkas force Muslims to integrate? Banning burkas is also about our own ethics and principles with regards to oppression subjugation of women, and more importantly you cannot easily build rapport or trust with a person whose face you cannot see.
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But sometimes when you have an angry lynch mob outside, giving them a token apeasement such as this may calm them down and make them go home as they feel that for once they are being listened to. It's ultra short termist thinking on the part of those in power, but so is basically everything they do.
In this concrete case it seems to me that the ban didn't work. One could read the plotline as: the bathers chose a secluded beach as the the place where they chose to break the law, and were attacked by local Corsicans. Later, Corsicans surrounded apartments where Muslims live.

I don't see anyone above as "in the right".

Speeding is illegal here, if Dodgyken zips past your farmhouse in his 1986 Sinclair C5, do you harpoon his tires, or call the police? Do you surround the outlet where he charges his C5?

The reasonable response is to call the police, or just stand and laugh.
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... or just let them get on with it as it is their choice?

What has the burkini to do with the Burka FFS?!?

Burkinis are made of extremely light material and totally safe for swimming.

Those Corsicans were spoliing for a (racist) fight ... and were the culprits here 100%
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Why should banning burkas force Muslims to integrate? Banning burkas is also about our own ethics and principles with regards to oppression subjugation of women, and more importantly you cannot easily build rapport or trust with a person whose face you cannot see.
But then somebody who has no fashion sense and constantly picks their nose may also find it difficult to socialize and make new freinds. Should we ban that too?
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... or just let them get on with it as it is their choice?

What has the burkini to do with the Burka FFS?!?

Burkinis are made of extremely light material and totally safe for swimming.

Those Corsicans were spoliing for a (racist) fight ... and were the culprits here 100%
So you think its okay to go at people with hatchets and harpoons?

Consider for a moment the inverse scenario. Some French guys go at muslims with hatchets and harpoons because they have been offended. Would you still be defending them? Or does your allegiance always automatically align with Muslims, right or wrong?
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But then somebody who has no fashion sense and constantly picks their nose may also find it difficult to socialize and make new freinds. Should we ban that too?


Can we start with those absurd hairstyles where the hair is ridiculously short at the front and long in the back? My god those are ugly...how can anyone possibly make friends with someone sporting that crime against humanity.


Also, since we're on the topic, men who have body hair that extends a good inch or two above their skin, and who insist on wearing the skimpiest of vests, such that their foliage actually casts its own shadow. do they have no shame?!?!
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But then somebody who has no fashion sense and constantly picks their nose may also find it difficult to socialize and make new freinds. Should we ban that too?
Since when did having no fashion sense or picking ones nose relate to the deliberate and systematic oppression of women?

That is a ridiculous counter-argument that doesn't even make the slightest bit of contextual sense, and if you don't already know that then I must have been seriously overestimating your grey matter in past discussions.
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