Furthermore, by saying you have no access to anything Muslims invented, this basically means turning back the clock. So maybe a Muslim guy invented Algebra. But many Algebraic concepts and onward developments were done by Western guys. 13th Century algebra is very different from modern algebra. Even a modern day Muslim mathematician would be pretty much stumped if told he was to use that and nothing else. Similarly in medicine, chemistry, geometry and many other disciplines you cannot separate out the fundamental principle from its development or the theory from its application. The idea is just utterly unworkable and would cast both sides back 700 years.

Even the religion itself would be in trouble. The Koran borrows a lot of stuff from Chriatisnity and Judaism. If you were to delete all that from Islam, the stuff that would be left wouldn't even make much sense on its own.

Two questions:
1: Why is it needed to profess religious beliefs at all externally? It should be something personal, between you are your God. Europe in general is a secular society, you don't really see many people on a daily basis wearing religious paraphernalia. I'd like to keep it that way.

2: How can it be known who is wearing a burka because they want to and who is being forced to wear one? Since there really isn't any way to know who is being subjugated and who isn't, wouldn't it be better to just ban burkas in EU entirely as an enforcement of gender equality?

so how much sharia is tolerable for you within a country? would you rather those people go to a country governed by sharia? even if it means you have to give up your toothbrush?

You can find the numbers here - general crime in Ultra Orthodox cities is about half of th national average, Murder is very rare.

yes it makes no sense at all to think in this way and its diverting from the point i tried to make.

status quo. choose which side of the line you want to live in and go from there. a simple thought experiment that should lead to the conclusion that most people will be better of without islam. if islam is the main factor in your life you get to choose to live with people that think in the same way and not be bothered by filthy whores and pigs. again, its win-win.

in other words, what is the benefit of mixing those 2 populations as we have today and even actively promote it?

i wonder how many are left of those 1.6 billion when they dont have to fear for apostasy consequences. freedom at last. or not, and i wish you prosperity and all on the other side.

Yeah, especially when in the same breath they say its about "modesty".

In my book, there is nothing modest about rubbing in that you are a good Mulsim and the others are bad Muslims.

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Even in reasonably functioning Muslim countries, it's still the religion that retards them.

Malaysian singer Namewee held for 'insulting Islam'

Surprised this was missed on here - only picked up on it as there was yet another stabbing in Brussels today by a woman (details as yet unreleased):

Belgium machete attacker was earmarked for deportation


http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/49dcc94e-5...#axzz4I58yzWi5

At the same time news comes that our wonderful welfare state for which taxpayers shell out was supporting the PAris killers :

https://www.rt.com/news/354734-welfa...lgium-attacks/

Makes you feel just great about paying taxes.

Like most Muslims, I don't want to live in a sharia governed system. Sharia is a system of jurisprudence, not a set of laws - it was never supposed to be applied literally.


But then, im not the one suggesting it, am I?

Im pretty sure a negligible amount of your taxes went to the guy. Your taxes pay for the infrastructure of your country. If you want to feel good about it, go walk around a hospital.

Save your breath, it is like talking to a brick wall. That's the way the media works here, lay the blame on something, someone or a group of people, spread as much fear, to distract the "ignorant masses" from the real problems in society, like the fact that the mega-corporations are getting off tax free and the rich are rinsing society and the environment from the top down and the bottom up.

Ahh, finally, some insight into your posting style in these threads.

I think I get it. If you claim to be the biggest victim, then its everybody else's fault, and you win.

Posting style? You mean not anti-someones personal belief. What would my posting style make me? no scrap that question I think I can guess your answer!

Seriously though, in a thread that was created to question Islam and Muslims its good to have Muslims contribute otherwise its just a bunch of privileged white western armchair bigots complaining about immigration and non integration, without any particular expertise on the matter and the internet or the Daily Mail as reference material.

Phos I have no idea what you mean by that? Care to elaborate? No on second thoughts I really don't care what you have to say.

of course

Strawman much? Since i am not white. Nor do i read the daily mail i think your bias is showing and it's appalling.

Any belief is fair game to criticism. Particularly those that coadjuvate violent behaviour

It was a generalization, you should learn to read...

...and write in English, if you are going to contribute to any meaningful discussion.

Given the level of your arguments, you should probably learn to think before you make such idiotic statements. and i can see the idea came through to at least 2 readers.