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porsch1909 20.11.2015 19:04

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Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 2489446)
You really need to brush up on basic trolling technique (and there I thought you were an expert). You failed to answer a question in one of the several hundred posts on the topic yesterday, so that means a refusal to commit which is the same as saying that you're not against it.

Don't you know anything? :msnwink:

Would help if that Mirfield didn't ban me :mad:

22 yards 20.11.2015 19:13

Re: Donald Trump and Co
 
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Originally Posted by porsch1909 (Post 2489463)
Would help if that Mirfield didn't ban me :mad:

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Treverus 20.11.2015 21:50

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
Poor fashion choice of the day:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...22&oe=56F19F53

Odile 20.11.2015 21:55

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
Idéfix is btw the name of Obélix's little dog in the French version of Astérix- can't remember his name in the English version. Just like Milou, Tintin's dog, is called Snowy in the English version. Anyhow- yes Adrian, it says it all.

Treverus 20.11.2015 22:13

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Capo (Post 2489435)
The point is that there are TONS AND TONS of crazy fundamentalist people out there, christians, jews, indus, etc., you name the shit. However, look at the number of terrorists attacks in the last 30 years, how many deaths and, mainly, the motivations behind them before you call me silly.

I am pretty sure that less people died in terrorist attacks than as a result of the west "spreading freedom and democracy"... and not every terrorist is a religious fundamentalist. Just think of the IRA, the ETA in Spain...

Andycb 20.11.2015 22:25

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
I would say not all fundamentalists are religious, there are in history plenty cases of Atheists fundamentalists and even terrorists. So basically anyone who gets to fanatic with a specific idea can be dangerous. Ok that's my idea, I hope I'm not so fanatic about it.

Treverus 20.11.2015 22:34

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Andycb (Post 2489594)
So basically anyone who gets to fanatic with a specific idea can be dangerous.

The question is if they really are... some guys who returned from fighting for ISIS back to Germany got arrested and trialed. During the trial did the judge ask them some basic questions on Islam even I could answer correctly... they could not.

I guess the bottom line is that we have a number of second generation immigrants all over Europe that failed in life and find it more convenient to blame "society" for it than themselves. I am not negating that there are problems and discrimination in Europe, but let's face it - most of the guys who went to Syria are complete losers. If those kids then meet the wrong guy who manipulates them do angry young men turn into something dangerous.

Dougal's Breakfast 20.11.2015 22:34

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
It's worth observing that genuine fundamentalists - of any religion - don't tend to be violent, as a genuine fundamentalist has usually bothered to read his holy text.

The kind of knobheads who think it's ok to go around slaughtering non-combatants in the name of Islam tend to be petty criminals, recent (somewhat half-baked) converts and whisky-swilling hypocrites.

I've known a few fundamentalist Muslims in my time, and I found them quite inspirational company. The same goes for the fundamentalist Christians I know - once I've taken the time to hear them out and understand where they're coming from.

There's a place in this world for all kinds of beliefs, not just the kind of wishy-washy-would-you-like-another-biscuit-vicar belief that offends nobody.

Treverus 20.11.2015 22:48

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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 2489605)
The same goes for the fundamentalist Christians I know - once I've taken the time to hear them out and understand where they're coming from.

Don't know... all the fundamentalist Christians I met seem to cherry pick the bits of the bible that support their usually rather narrow mind-set and ignore the rest. After 5 mins of listening did I get the urge to beat them with a bible...

Dougal's Breakfast 20.11.2015 22:49

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2489623)
Don't know... all the fundamentalist Christians I met seem to cherry pick the bits of the bible that support their usually rather narrow mind-set and ignore the rest. After 5 mins of listening did I get the urge to beat them with a bible...

Yeah, but were they actual fundamentalist Christians, or just loud gobshites?

Treverus 20.11.2015 23:00

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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 2489626)
Yeah, but were they actual fundamentalist Christians, or just loud gobshites?

I am from an extremely religious catholic region (it's the place where Marx coined the "religion is opium for the people" statement...). I think they actually believe they are right hating everything that's different from them and never realized that Jesus did the exact opposite in the bible...

Dougal's Breakfast 20.11.2015 23:01

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2489642)
I am from an extremely religious catholic region (it's the place where Marx coined the "religion is opium for the people" statement...). I think they actually believe they are right hating everything that's different from them and never realized that Jesus did the exact opposite in the bible...

Oh, that's fine. Roman Catholics aren't Christians in the eyes of most of the fundies I know. :D

marton 20.11.2015 23:21

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
Ambitious thread title "All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) "

Pity that so far nobody was able to rise to the challenge of debating at this level.


Anyway do not write off the USA too soon; In what is a true milestone for the US, shifting demographics have led to a traditionally Polish-Catholic city in Michigan electing 'the first-ever' Muslim-majority council in America's history. The city of Hamtramck held a recent election, with a total of six candidates vying for three seats. The top three vote-winners were all Muslim.
The result is now a six-member council, with four of the members Muslims.


I hope people can cast aside their old ideas and enter the future in a "clean" way.

Ace1 20.11.2015 23:22

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Odile (Post 2489566)
Idéfix is btw the name of Obélix's little dog in the French version of Astérix- can't remember his name in the English version.

Dogmatix. Like a lot of the Asterix name translations it actually works better, and on more levels, than the original.

Odile 20.11.2015 23:52

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
One of my Lecturers at Uni was the official translator- we used to often discuss his work and exchange ideas re names, etc.

Just Googled him and found out that he died last year! I didn't know- hot lips he was nicked named, as he had a bit of a 'reputation':

Original name (French) Meaning Description British name American name (Newspaper) American name (Album) Portuguese name

Astérix asterisk (because he is the star), also the medical term asterixis refers to a periodic loss of muscle tone, the opposite of what Astérix displays when he drinks the magic potion Gaulish warrior Asterix Asterix Asterix Asterix

Obélix obelisk (An obelisk is similar to a menhir; and the obelisk symbol † often follows the asterisk.) Menhir delivery man Obelix Obelix Obelix Obelix

Idéfix idée fixe (theme or obsession) Obelix’s dog Dogmatix Dogmatix Dogmatix Ideiafix

Panoramix Panorama (wide view) Druid Getafix Readymix Magigimmix Panoramix

Abraracourcix à bras raccourcis: (hit, lambast) violently Village Chief Vitalstatistix Vitalstatistix Macroeconomix Abracurcix

Bonemine Bonne mine (healthy look) Chief's Wife Impedimenta n/a Belladonna Naftalina

Treverus 21.11.2015 00:26

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Dougal's Breakfast (Post 2489646)
Oh, that's fine. Roman Catholics aren't Christians in the eyes of most of the fundies I know. :D

Are we talking about Christians or protestants? ;)

porsch1909 21.11.2015 00:34

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
I just want to see Mali flags on Facebook :(

NomadAmericano 21.11.2015 02:50

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
To correct the historical record as presented in various posts on this thread:

1. The KKK was made up of Democrats - not Republicans.

2. Donald Trump (and I'm no fan - I call him "Donald Dump" in my household) didn't say that that he supported Muslims being entered into a database and being forced to carry ID cards with their religion stated on them. The reporter engaged in a classic hatchet job on him by proposing this silly idea. Trump changed the subject to his position of building a fence. The reporter then asked Trump if he supported "that". Trump answered yes (that he supported building a fence). The reporter and other news outlets then reported that Trump's answer was to the original question, which it was not.

There's plenty of reasons to oppose Trump but this ginned-up media controversy isn't one of them. It's a reminder to all of us not to be gullible when consuming "news".

3. The Koran claims to relate historical events and it also dictates prospective commands to its adherents. Unlike the New Testament, the Koran establishes an entire legal system. The writings in the Koran are viewed as literally the words of God and therefore infallible.

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State, has a PhD from Baghdad University in Islamic Studies. Most if not all of IS's policies are supported by citations to the Koran and the Sunnah (accepted stories of the actions and sayings of Mohammed). For instance, if you look at the Slave Regulations that IS issued a few months ago, which cover the sale and ownership of slaves such as Yazidi and Christian women, it is heavy with citations to the Koran and Sunnah.

Now, does all that mean that al-Baghdadi and IS speak for a majority of Muslims? Of course not. But it's not all that helpful when westerners with little understanding of the Islamic religion insist that the Koran is just like the Bible or that IS's ideology has no support in Islamic jurisprudence.

Treverus 21.11.2015 11:05

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by NomadAmericano (Post 2489706)
3. The Koran claims to relate historical events and it also dictates prospective commands to its adherents. Unlike the New Testament, the Koran establishes an entire legal system. The writings in the Koran are viewed as literally the words of God and therefore infallible.

Do you think the bible does not dictate you how to live? Every time I went to church did the pastor show a bible to the people with the sentence "the word of god" and everyone replies "amen"...

22 yards 21.11.2015 11:30

Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
 
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Originally Posted by Ace1 (Post 2489657)
Dogmatix. Like a lot of the Asterix name translations it actually works better, and on more levels, than the original.

Oi! That's my line! Get yer own material!


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