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Old 15.09.2016, 17:31
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Not necessarily. It could also mean they propagate the Muslim Brotherhood agenda. Or it was founded through the Muslim Brotherhood, and is now carrying forth. All of these have been alleged with some evidence. A pattern of behaviour is enough to establish these as well.
All just speculation; if you have evidence then please quote your source
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Old 15.09.2016, 17:42
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All just speculation; if you have evidence then please quote your source
Dont you know, its the "Many people are saying ... " source.

Just keep repeating until enough people start saying, that "many people are saying ... "
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Old 15.09.2016, 17:45
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All just speculation; if you have evidence then please quote your source
It's not my line of work, as there are plenty of investigative reports out there that have published on it. Google can find it for you.

CAIR is listed as a known terrorist organization in the United Arab Emirates. Their ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is known and acknowledged.

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Old 15.09.2016, 19:19
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It's not my line of work, as there are plenty of investigative reports out there that have published on it. Google can find it for you.

CAIR is listed as a known terrorist organization in the United Arab Emirates. Their ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is known and acknowledged.
So you agree it was just speculation.
No point in me googling it if you cannot find a source for your own posts
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So you agree it was just speculation.
No point in me googling it if you cannot find a source for your own posts
You ought to work for them. Obfuscation and taqiya are said to be their specialty.

But not quite, I assume they have more weight than simple airheadedness.
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Old 15.09.2016, 20:11
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CAIR is listed as a known terrorist organization in the United Arab Emirates. Their ties to the Muslim Brotherhood is known and acknowledged.
That is indeed curious given the US government vehemently rejects the accusation; Both Bush and Obama have shared numerous platforms and regularly seek CAIR's counsel on US/Islamic relations.

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That is indeed curious given the US government vehemently rejects the accusation; Both Bush and Obama have shared numerous platforms and regularly seek CAIR's counsel on US/Islamic relations.

"That is indeed curious" Especially as until relatively recently UAE donated annually circa $0.5Million to CAIR.
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Old 15.09.2016, 20:33
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You ought to work for them. Obfuscation and taqiya are said to be their specialty.

But not quite, I assume they have more weight than simple airheadedness.
Still no source?
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That is indeed curious given the US government vehemently rejects the accusation; Both Bush and Obama have shared numerous platforms and regularly seek CAIR's counsel on US/Islamic relations.
Probably through their Muslim Brotherhood affiliation. The US government has had ongoing connections with the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas they may be considered a threat to established powers in the ME. The Muslims Brotherhood seems to be a fairly broad tent.

Hence allegations of CAIR affiliation with MB doesn't really raise any shock in the US. Except maybe Marton or Kosti who would rather deny it.
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Old 15.09.2016, 20:42
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Probably through their Muslim Brotherhood affiliation. The US government has had ongoing connections with the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas they may be considered a threat to established powers in the ME. The Muslims Brotherhood seems to be a fairly broad tent.
So why bring it up then?
Talk about a tangent, I only quoted Mr Hooper because he made a valid point that there are synagogues and Churches throughout the Muslim world.
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Old 15.09.2016, 20:50
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Probably through their Muslim Brotherhood affiliation. The US government has had ongoing connections with the Muslim Brotherhood, whereas they may be considered a threat to established powers in the ME. The Muslims Brotherhood seems to be a fairly broad tent.

Hence allegations of CAIR affiliation with MB doesn't really raise any shock in the US. Except maybe Marton or Kosti who would rather deny it.
Neither acceptance or denial, simply interested to see the source for your "evidence".
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So why bring it up then?
Talk about a tangent, I only quoted Mr Hooper because he made a valid point that there are synagogues and Churches throughout the Muslim world.
I dunno. I didn't bring it up. NomadAmericano cited the connection, Marton and Kosti challenged it for reasons unbeknownst to me.

From what I know, the Muslim Brotherhood has a long history and has respectable academics within its ranks. Not sure why anyone would find it necessarily incriminating.

CAIR pursues legal channels to advocate for Muslim interests, which I find is the correct and respectable way to go about things. There is suspicion and distrust from some of a seditious agenda. But apparently has no merit, as they are still quite in business. Not really paid a lot of attention by some, but nothing to have been proven illegal either.
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Old 15.09.2016, 20:56
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I dunno. I didn't bring it up. NomadAmericano cited the connection, Marton and Kosti challenged it for reasons unbeknownst to me.

From what I know, the Muslim Brotherhood has a long history and has respectable academics within its ranks. Not sure why anyone would find it necessarily incriminating.

CAIR pursues legal channels to advocate for Muslim interests, which I find is the correct and respectable way to go about things. There is suspicion and distrust from some of a seditious agenda. But apparently has no merit, as they are still quite in business. Not really paid a lot of attention by some, but nothing to have been proven illegal either.
"Marton and Kosti challenged it for reasons unbeknownst to me." Unknown to you because you failed to read the links that I quoted. LOL
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"Marton and Kosti challenged it for reasons unbeknownst to me." Unknown to you because you failed to read the links that I quoted. LOL
Probably because I found them pointless like a lot of your tangents Marton.
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So you agree it was just speculation.
No point in me googling it if you cannot find a source for your own posts
Only if by "speculation" you mean a decision of the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS. "The Government listed CAIR, ISNA, and NAIT as entities who are or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee and/or its organizations."
(Attachment A at 5; Mot. 6.)

Why do you work so hard denying these basic facts? Why does it strike you as so strange that CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood? Why the general denial of anything that implicates the enemies of the Enlightenment?

Genuinely curious what leads westerners to bury their heads in the sand re jihad even after all that has happened.
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Why do you work so hard denying these basic facts? Why does it strike you as so strange that CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood? Why the general denial of anything that implicates the enemies of the Enlightenment?

Genuinely curious what leads westerners to bury their heads in the sand re jihad even after all that has happened.
I don't even try to figure that one out, and simply ascribe it as a vacuous form of trolling, so I tend to ignore it. Its cheap and doesn't require much effort to be thoughtless.
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Old 15.09.2016, 21:25
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Probably because I found them pointless like a lot of your tangents Marton.
Et tu, Brute?
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Et tu, Brute?
Oh, you love my posts Marton, as I see you like to follow them arduously and respond on cue. You may be the only one reading them.
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Only if by "speculation" you mean a decision of the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS. "The Government listed CAIR, ISNA, and NAIT as entities who are or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee and/or its organizations."
(Attachment A at 5; Mot. 6.)

Why do you work so hard denying these basic facts? Why does it strike you as so strange that CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood? Why the general denial of anything that implicates the enemies of the Enlightenment?

Genuinely curious what leads westerners to bury their heads in the sand re jihad even after all that has happened.
Actually I could care less if CAIR is an arm of the Muslim Brotherhood. I am not accepting or denying this.
I am simply posting that the links you posted do not support this.

Thanks for the last link which confirms yet again you did not post the truth or possibly did not even read your link?

The statement "The Government listed CAIR, ISNA, and NAIT as entities who are or were members of the U.S. Muslim Brotherhood’s Palestine Committee and/or its organizations." was not "a decision of the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS" as you posted.

The statement was part of the US Government "background" evidence to try to prove this was a huge conspiracy in a trial of this "Holy Land Foundation" case that commenced on July 16, 2007. In fact the Govt. failed and the trial resulted in a hung jury and mistrial on October 22, 2007. Not exactly convincing?

In fact the rather boring decision of the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF TEXAS in entirety was;
It is therefore ordered that the District Clerk for the Northern District of Texas shall file and seal the Amicus Curaie Brief of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Support of the Unindicted Co-Conspirators’ First and Fifth Amendment Rights, which has been decided herein.

The Clerk shall also seal Attachment A to the Government’s Trial Brief, filed May 29, 2007 [Docket No.656].

It is also ordered that all pleadings, records, documents, orders and other papers concerning (1) CAIR’s Amicus Brief, (2) CAIR’s Motion for Leave to file Amicus Brief, and (3) ISNA’s and NAIT’s Motion [Docket Nos. 777, 778, 797, 799, 850, 851] including this Order be sealed.

All these documents shall be kept sealed until further order of this Court.

You see; nothing about CAIR are or were members of the Palestine Committee
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Oh, you love my posts Marton, as I see you like to follow them arduously and respond on cue. You may be the only one reading them.
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