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18.09.2016, 21:47
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Not that any of this should matter to you, as someone who denies any link between competing schools of Islamic law and violence. | | | | | Ok, point me to any post where I deny any such link as you just claimed I do. Any single or even a long list of each and every one.
You just made a claim about my position on an issue, back it up. Otherwise it is just a straw man.
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18.09.2016, 21:50
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | As I expected you cannot find sources to justify your statement ""you know that ISIS claims Sharia as justification for its attacks. ".
About "Must Islam go through a "reformation" of its own before any progress can be made? "
No, Islam needs no change. The problem is that groups like ISIS claim their legitimacy based on their false interpretation of the laws of their religion. | | | | | Any citations to support your claim that ISIS does not cite Sharia as justification for its actions?
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18.09.2016, 21:54
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Ok, point me to any post where I deny any such link as you just claimed I do. Any single or even a long list of each and every one.
You just made a claim about my position on an issue, back it up. Otherwise it is just a straw man. | | | | | When you stated that it is juvenile to point out a connection between violence and differing schools of Islamic law, surely you were not accusing yourself.
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18.09.2016, 21:58
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | I admire you're persistence, Marton.  | | | | | OK, I will stop embarrassing you by asking you to post any credible sources for your statements.
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18.09.2016, 21:59
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Any citations to support your claim that ISIS does not cite Sharia as justification for its actions? | | | | | No problem, I understand you are unable to support your claims.
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | When you stated that it is juvenile to point out a connection between violence and differing schools of Islamic law, surely you were not accusing yourself. | | | | | Do you just take the posts, put the words in a bag, shake it then pour them back out repeatedly until the arrangement fits your preconcieved idea of what someone else must be saying, or do you just take a random selection of words which trigger you somehow?
I'm guessing that the post you are referring to is this one: | Quote: |  | | | Well, by constantly linking terrorism and Sharia and Islam together, as I think you seem to be doing above, it would be a bit juvenile to think that this would be of any assistance to any part of that religion which was interested in some form of reformation. | | | | | I was making a statement of what I suspect is your position, and pointing out that it would be juvenile to believe that this would actually prove to be beneficial to a change in the current situation.
If you are possesed of some mind reading ability which allows you to divine what someone elses beliefs or arguments are which means that you needn't follow the usual challenge/response form of rational debate then perhaps you have no need of public internet forums.
Perhaps you have a need for internet forums which is not related to what someone else actually writes.
I can't tell which may be the case, please explain.
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18.09.2016, 22:12
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | No problem, I understand you are unable to support your claims. | | | | | Google is your friend, Marton. There are tens of thousands of links showing how the Islamic State cites Sharia to justify its actions, from terrorism to slavery.
But after you refused to address why you don't follow Sharia, and won't provide citations supporting your daft contention that Islamic State does not use Sharia, I wouldn't expect intellectual honesty from you.
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Do you just take the posts, put the words in a bag, shake it then pour them back out repeatedly until the arrangement fits your preconcieved idea of what someone else must be saying, or do you just take a random selection of words which trigger you somehow?
I'm guessing that the post you are referring to is this one:
I was making a statement of what I suspect is your position, and pointing out that it would be juvenile to believe that this would actually prove to be beneficial to a change in the current situation.
If you are possesed of some mind reading ability which allows you to divine what someone elses beliefs or arguments are which means that you needn't follow the usual challenge/response form of rational debate then perhaps you have no need of public internet forums.
Perhaps you have a need for internet forums which is not related to what someone else actually writes.
I can't tell which may be the case, please explain. | | | | | I was also making a statement of what "I suspected was your position." My apologies for being in error. Please tell us your position so there is no confusion.
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18.09.2016, 22:18
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | I was also making a statement of what "I suspected was your position." My apologies for being in error. Please tell us your position so there is no confusion. | | | | | I made my statement above, why don't you read it, for once? Following that read the subsequent post where I explain it slightly differently.
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18.09.2016, 22:23
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Google is your friend, Marton. There are tens of thousands of links showing how the Islamic State cites Sharia to justify its actions, from te]rrorism to slavery.
But after you refused to address why you don't follow Sharia, and won't provide citations supporting your daft contention that Islamic State does not use Sharia, I wouldn't expect intellectual honesty from you. | | | | | Your credibility is quickly approaching zero as you fail to provide any support for any of your [daft] claims despite multiple requests.
Why ask me to disprove your statements when you yourself are able to achieve this since you fail to provide any proof?
As I posted earlier you are a time waster!
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Your credibility is quickly approaching zero as you fail to provide any support for any of your [daft] claims despite multiple requests.
Why ask me to disprove your statements when you yourself are able to achieve this since you fail to provide any proof? As I posted earlier you are a time waster! | | | | | | The following 2 users would like to thank parnell for this useful post: | | 
19.09.2016, 04:21
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
Oh i get it, this nomad character is a hardcore christian, animals on the ark type, stone the gays, you know the sort, because there are only hardcore religious types in the world. if a religious book says something, that's it, definitive, all people born into the catchment areas of the major religions have no other choice but to follow the laws of pointless old men.
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19.09.2016, 16:44
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)
Thirty months after several senior figures in political Islam inaugurated the first hotel abiding by Islamic Sharia in Hurghada, Egypt, the hotel closed its doors due to losses.
The hotel did not allow guests to drink alcohol and kept men and women separate. Source
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19.09.2016, 17:08
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Do you just take the posts, put the words in a bag, shake it then pour them back out repeatedly until the arrangement fits your preconcieved idea of what someone else must be saying, or do you just take a random selection of words which trigger you somehow?
| | | | | Can I have a go at that please?
Religion = fairytales
Islam = Hans Christian Anderson or Brothers Grimm or whoever you want.
Daesh = Disney
Terrorism = Have you ever had to communte to work on a Saturday train crammed to the brim with little girls dressed as their favourite Disney princesses and screaming the song from 'Frozen' full blast? Luckily, it only happens once in a while, so we can live with it, take a deep breath and move on.
Right....back to fairytales...Oops! Religion...and the laws written back in the pre-Gillette era by a bunch of blokes in dresses...sorry! robes... who were most likely off their heads on ergot. Funny how that image applies to most of the World's major religions...
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19.09.2016, 17:15
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Thirty months after several senior figures in political Islam inaugurated the first hotel abiding by Islamic Sharia in Hurghada, Egypt, the hotel closed its doors due to losses.  | | | | | Need not mean much, if anything at all.
Orascom CEO Sawiris (the company owns the El Gouna resort that is about 25km south of the Hurghada airport, it also owns the Chedi in Andermatt) says that Orascom has 50% less bookings in Egypt this year, Egyptian-led hotels and resorts easily have at least 70% less.
That hotel is probably just one in a very long list of closings.
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19.09.2016, 17:39
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | Need not mean much, if anything at all.
Orascom CEO Sawiris (the company owns the El Gouna resort that is about 25km south of the Hurghada airport, it also owns the Chedi in Andermatt) says that Orascom has 50% less bookings in Egypt this year, Egyptian-led hotels and resorts easily have at least 70% less.
That hotel is probably just one in a very long list of closings. | | | | | I assume the fall in tourism is due to concerns about terrorism by Muslim fundamentalists; one would think people would have less worries about visiting a Sharia compliant hotel?
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | I assume the fall in tourism is due to concerns about terrorism by Muslim fundamentalists; one would think people would have less worries about visiting a Sharia compliant hotel? | | | | | If overall tourism to Egypt is falling off because people are worried about terrorism, shouldn't casual tourists be the hardest hit group. Muslim tourists who specifically seek out a Sharia offering are least likely to be dissuaded when the media reports twisted half-truths about Muslim countries.
So this hotel should actually be doing better than its secular competition I would have thought.
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | I assume the fall in tourism is due to concerns about terrorism by Muslim fundamentalists; one would think people would have less worries about visiting a Sharia compliant hotel? | | | | | They may just have chosen to visit Disneyland before Trump gets elected.
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19.09.2016, 17:46
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | They may just have chosen to visit Disneyland before Trump gets elected. | | | | | You mean before the whole country becomes Disneyland | 
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| | Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe) | Quote: | |  | | | You mean before the whole country becomes Disneyland  | | | | | I was thinking more of Oz.
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