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Old 05.10.2016, 13:46
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I find it amazing how people don't seem to understand (or more likely, willfully ignore) the impact of facial emotions, and how critical they are to human communication in our society. It is simply indefensible, baffling even, to suggest that anyone with their face covered should be allowed to teach in Western schools.
I think you miss the point RD, its not the fact that one should or shouldn't do something like wear a Burka its more to do with the fact that there is an ulterior and sinister motive in the state decreeing what one should or shouldn't wear.

I agree its questionable to allow someone who wears a full face veil to teach, especially children, but more because I would feel that, that person is obviously highly influenced in their thought and actions by religion and I would not want those ideas forced upon my child.

I don't feel that a burka is a symbol of hate in the same way as someone wearing a Swastika is consciously stating their racist ideology. Somethings should certainly be disallowed, but if it harms no one, but upsets a sensibility of what should and shouldn't represent us in our society then we as a society are also imposing our beliefs onto others.

My argument is that of freedoms of expression, I don't personally like Burkas but I also don't have to wear one.
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I think you miss the point RD, its not the fact that one should or shouldn't do something like wear a Burka its more to do with the fact that there is an ulterior and sinister motive in the state decreeing what one should or shouldn't wear.

I agree its questionable to allow someone who wears a full face veil to teach, especially children, but more because I would feel that, that person is obviously highly influenced in their thought and actions by religion and I would not want those ideas forced upon my child.

I don't feel that a burka is a symbol of hate in the same way as someone wearing a Swastika is consciously stating their racist ideology. Somethings should certainly be disallowed, but if it harms no one, but upsets a sensibility of what should and shouldn't represent us in our society then we as a society are also imposing our beliefs onto others.

My argument is that of freedoms of expression, I don't personally like Burkas but I also don't have to wear one.
What, you mean I miss your point about the: "ulterior and sinister motive in the state decreeing what one should or shouldn't wear."? Ehhh.

Even if you take away the fundamentally disturbing implications of a Burkha in the first place, there is nothing whatsoever sinister about requiring a teacher to show their face when teaching, when wearing said veil will directly impact a teachers ability to communicate with her students.
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Old 05.10.2016, 14:47
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My argument is that of freedoms of expression, I don't personally like Burkas but I also don't have to wear one.
A teacher at a public school is a representative of the state, and in a way an agent/actor thereof. In a more or less laicist state religious symbols are off limits for state employees, including indirect employees like those of the Post AG.

I agree that outside of work hours and off school premises freedom of expression prevails.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Assuming Burka is a religios symbol
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A teacher at a public school is a representative of the state, and in a way an agent/actor thereof. In a more or less laicist state religious symbols are off limits for state employees, including indirect employees like those of the Post AG.

I agree that outside of work hours and off school premises freedom of expression prevails.
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Old 05.10.2016, 14:55
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Assuming Burka is a religios symbol
is it not?
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Old 05.10.2016, 15:00
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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is it not?
No, its cultural
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Is the burqa in the workplace really a pressing issue? The hijab is one thing (and I think should be allowed, FWIW), but I have hard time imagining a situation where a burqa or niqab-wearing mother drops off her kids at crèche as she heads off alone to her 9-to-5 job that her husband is perfectly fine with her having. That's if she can get one. Try getting a non-alternative job with your face tatted up to the gills or wearing a ski mask or bee-keeper suit and see how far that gets you.
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Old 05.10.2016, 15:11
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No, its cultural
what is a religious symbol, that can definitely not be sold as a cultural symbol?

isnt religion itself cultural?
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Old 05.10.2016, 16:13
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Assuming Burka is a religios symbol
I think it is pretty logical to say that in deeply Islamic, non-secular countries, religion and culture are intertwined.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

There must be an election coming up.

France has 'problem with Islam' and there is 'too much unwanted immigration', says Hollande in explosive book
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Our moderate friends at CAIR celebrate the terrorist who shot to death a 60 year old Israeli woman.
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Old 08.12.2016, 19:38
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

LOL. Is this for real?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-austra...ource=facebook
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Old 08.12.2016, 19:45
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Seems perfectly reasonable to me. The BBC are just acting like clickbait dickheads with their headline.
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A French Morrocan Muslim friend in Leicester bought a lovely terrassed home in Leicester, and the bathroom had just been refurbished - with tiles showing a funny buccolic country scene with a whole family of pigs. She thought it was hilarious, but when her mum came to stay she totally freaked out and refused to have a bath until she had covered the offending piggies.
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A French Morrocan Muslim friend in Leicester bought a lovely terrassed home in Leicester, and the bathroom had just been refurbished - with tiles showing a funny buccolic country scene with a whole family of pigs. She thought it was hilarious, but when her mum came to stay she totally freaked out and refused to have a bath until she had covered the offending piggies.
The problem with Peppa Pig isn't really the pigs.
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Old 08.12.2016, 20:05
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

No, it seems to be this:

One4Kids producer Subhi Alshaik told the BBC he enjoyed Peppa Pig but that "apparently there are messages in there that turn kids into brats".

Um, no. It just shows that they're children being children.
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No, it seems to be this:

One4Kids producer Subhi Alshaik told the BBC he enjoyed Peppa Pig but that "apparently there are messages in there that turn kids into brats".

Um, no. It just shows that they're children being children.
Muslims can't win, can they? Even when some of them try to do something positive and creative, other people - aided and abetted by the BBC - have to pull them down again.
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Old 08.12.2016, 20:50
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

They can be as creative as they like. Still, I find the comment depressingly similiar to those of fundamentalist Christians who mutter that certain programmes contain hidden messages from Satan to their children. There ain't no messages folks.
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They can be as creative as they like. Still, I find the comment depressingly similiar to those of fundamentalist Christians who mutter that certain programmes contain hidden messages from Satan to their children. There ain't no messages folks.
Actually, television programmes are full of messages, not all of which everyone agrees with. Some people stop watching television, some people whine about it, and some people roll up their sleeves and make programmes of their own.

I don't see a problem.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Muslims can't win, can they? Even when some of them try to do something positive and creative, other people - aided and abetted by the BBC - have to pull them down again.
Is it really positive though?
The idea is being pushed by the Australian National Imams Council. Maybe you should read about the ANIC president Sheik Shady Alsuleiman and his views and see if you still think this guy pushing for 'islamic values' is a positive thing.
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