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Old 11.01.2017, 15:18
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Logical thinking would bring you to the answer.

The Burka (all enveloping outer garment) is shunned by the overwhelming majority of modern day Muslims, its hardly worn anywhere except the most conservative and tribal areas of Afghanistan, Yemen etc..

Therefore its reasonable to assume that most Muslims would have no problem accepting its banning.
If I understood your posts in the "Burkini Ban" thread, you seemed to generally be against any Burkini ban, and supported their "right" to wear it. Now you appear ok with banning the burka, because you say it is "shunned my the majority of muslims" Can you clarify your position here?

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Again Richdog, ask the women themselves instead of assuming it. I think they are fed up of 'men in general' dictating what they should or shouldn't wear.
It not our business
unless domestic abuse or coercion is taking place, which are crimes covered by local laws.
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The Burka (all enveloping outer garment) is shunned by the overwhelming majority of modern day Muslims, its hardly worn anywhere except the most conservative and tribal areas of Afghanistan, Yemen etc..
A stroll around any shopping mall in Kuwait City or Doha will confirm that this simply isn't true.
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Old 11.01.2017, 15:25
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A stroll around any shopping mall in Kuwait City or Doha will confirm that this simply isn't true.
Or the Trafford Centre in Manchester.
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Old 11.01.2017, 16:24
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A stroll around any shopping mall in Kuwait City or Doha will confirm that this simply isn't true.
Avenues shopping Mall Kuwait here, many ladies not wearing Burkas?
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Old 11.01.2017, 16:26
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Or the Trafford Centre in Manchester.
Or Tesco and Asda in Wigan and Tesco in Slough that I've seen within the last 2yrs.
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Old 11.01.2017, 16:44
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Please stop trolling :

Oh how fun the google definition of "sacrilege" includes an example related to dress code.
Oh no! Me trolling!
I shall have to up my game

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Avenues shopping Mall Kuwait here, many ladies not wearing Burkas?
Nice video. Having visited most Arab countries at one time or another I can assure you that you see full face veils and burkas all the time.
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FINALLY! A country has banned the burka for the right reason - Security!
What about the womens rights?! How dare they think they can tell women what they can't wear?! Its oppressive, its Islamophobic, its...

Whats that? In Morocco you say?

Oh, I see. Never mind then

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Old 13.01.2017, 14:33
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What about the womens rights?! How dare they think they can tell women what they can't wear?! Its oppressive, its Islamophobic, its...
This is seen as a controversial decision within the country, but the point is also being made that it isn't the traditional dress of Moroccan Muslim women.

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Controversy is raging in the country. Some argue the ban impinges on the freedom of women. Others welcome it as a curb on the influence of an interpretation of Islam that is both foreign to the kingdom’s religious heritage and extreme. In protest, Moroccan Salafist Sheikh Abdelhamid Abounaim has pledged to defy the ban by giving away the garment for free. Prominent cleric Sheikh Mohamed Fizazi has argued the ban is justified as the burka is culturally symbolic of other countries and is not a Moroccan religious outfit.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7523616.html
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This is seen as a controversial decision within the country, but the point is also being made that it isn't the traditional dress of Moroccan Muslim women
I just found it surprising that when parts of Europe mulled the idea of a ban (France, Ticino) there were a few loud voices on this forum who were vehemently opposed to the idea as it was 'discriminatory' and 'sexist' that men thought they could dictate what women could (not) wear.

Now Morocco bans the burka and the silence is deafening.

It's almost like some of those loud voices never actually cared about womens rights at all, instead using a progressive standpoint to push a regressive agenda
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Old 13.01.2017, 18:44
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Now Morocco bans the burka and the silence is deafening.

It's almost like some of those loud voices never actually cared about womens rights at all, instead using a progressive standpoint to push a regressive agenda
The difference is that other places were looking at a ban for all Muslim women. This is Morocco making laws for Moroccan Muslim women based upon their religious and cultural history of Islam, not based upon any prejudice towards Islam as a whole, so the debate is theirs to have.

I don't know if they have a contingent in their country who are from countries where burkas are the norm, but I'd be interested to see how they will impose this.
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The difference is that other places were looking at a ban for all Muslim women. This is Morocco making laws for Moroccan Muslim women based upon their religious and cultural history of Islam, not based upon any prejudice towards Islam as a whole, so the debate is theirs to have.
Well, for whatever reasons they are implementing this ban, the government is still banning a piece of clothing, still dictating what women can and cannot wear, it’s still against liberty, curtailing freedom of choice etc. ''It’s all about a womens choice to wear what she wants!''

Yet now that the issue is in Morocco, none of this seems to matter anymore.

Surely these 'progressives' will also stand up for the Moroccan womens right to wear what they want?
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The Burka (all enveloping outer garment) is shunned by the overwhelming majority of modern day Muslims, its hardly worn anywhere except the most conservative and tribal areas of Afghanistan, Yemen etc..
This statement honestly baffles me, unless you have never traveled within the middle east.

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Old 17.01.2017, 02:06
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This statement honestly baffles me, unless you have never traveled within the middle east.

I have (only Dubai) and never saw a burka there. In fact, I've only seen women wear a burka 5 or 6 times in my entire life, all of which were in the UK.
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This statement honestly baffles me, unless you have never traveled within the middle east.

As Blueangel says, the Burqa (all enveloping outer garment) is extremely rare and not in the mainstream at all.

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Old 17.01.2017, 13:31
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I have (only Dubai) and never saw a burka there. In fact, I've only seen women wear a burka 5 or 6 times in my entire life, all of which were in the UK.
Dubai is like Disneyland compared to much of the rest of the region, particularly the centers where most people spend their time when visiting.
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Old 17.01.2017, 13:41
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Dubai is like Disneyland compared to much of the rest of the region, particularly the centers where most people spend their time when visiting.
Dubai to the Middle East is like Singapore to Asia. Part of it, but in no way representative of it. The burka is a very common sight across the Middle East including Egypt with the major exception - Iran, where women are forced to wear a scarf which by the vast majority of them has been turned into a fashion symbol (lively colors, barely covering the hair, etc.). Another place where its not so common is Jordan as the Hashemite Kingdom seems to be doing something right with regards to governing a diverse population with mutliple religions and a massive influx of migrants.
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Dubai is like Disneyland compared to much of the rest of the region, particularly the centers where most people spend their time when visiting.
I know, that's why I specified that. Didn't like the place personally.
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I just found it surprising that when parts of Europe mulled the idea of a ban (France, Ticino) there were a few loud voices on this forum who were vehemently opposed to the idea as it was 'discriminatory' and 'sexist' that men thought they could dictate what women could (not) wear.

Now Morocco bans the burka and the silence is deafening.

It's almost like some of those loud voices never actually cared about womens rights at all, instead using a progressive standpoint to push a regressive agenda
Austria moves to ban full face veils

Regressive Left, you know what to do
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You can have Islam, or you can have equal rights for women. You can't have both.

Muslim women 'stopped from becoming Labour councillors'
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