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EU workplace headscarf ban is legal, says ECJ
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Old 11.06.2017, 19:04
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Islam is distinctive in how it relates to politics—and this distinctiveness can be traced back to the religion’s founding moment in the seventh century. Islam is different.

Because of this exceptionalism, a Middle Eastern replay of the Western model—Reformation followed by an Enlightenment in which religion is gradually pushed into the private realm—is unlikely.

Islam and Christianity are, after all, meant to do different things. Law, at least in part, is about exposing and punishing sin. Yet, when Jesus died on the cross, he in effect released man from the burdens of sin, and therefore from the burdens of the law.

The punishment of sins is no longer a priority, since Jesus died for them.
The failure to follow Islamic law is a reflection of the believer’s lack of faith and unwillingness to submit to God. Salvation is impossible without law. This has implications for the nature of the Islamic state.

One could go further and advocate not only for a progressive interpretation of Islamic law but also for its basic irrelevance to public life—that the separation of religion from politics forms the foundation of any pluralistic post-Enlightenment liberal society. The heavy weight of Islamic history, however, makes such a path as difficult as it is unlikely.
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...tional/485801/

A very long-winded article by an American Muslim, published by a left-wing news outlet, and yet managed to clearly explain why Islam and progressive liberalism are fundamentally incompatible with each other.

Interesting and timely read, considering the anti-Sharia protests going on in the USA this weekend.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Meanwhile, around the corner from where I grew up:

Melbourne imam guilty of overseeing illegal child marriage released on good behaviour bond
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You grew up?
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Old 22.06.2017, 21:48
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Muslim peace march: Hundreds take to Cologne streets to protest Islamist terrorism.

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Old 22.06.2017, 21:57
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Well it's something but it's sadly a tiny sect within Muslims - regularly murdered by both Shia and Sunni :

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The country's biggest Islamic association had refused to take part in the march, which was led by groups representing the Ahmadi sect.

The Turkish-Islamic Union argued it would send the wrong signal by suggesting that international terrorism is mainly a Muslim problem.

It also said Muslims observing the Ramadan fast could not be expected to march for hours in summer temperatures.
This is the same sect who went to the funeral Mass of the Catholic priest who was butchered at the alter by Islamists in France - decent folk but certainly and sadly not representative of the general Muslim population.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Oh.

Maajid Nawaz: We're In Denial That Child Sex Abuse Is A 'Sickness' In British Pakistani Muslim Communities

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Finally someone's been brave enough to state the truth.

"Saudi Arabia is the chief foreign promoter of Islamist extremism in the UK, a new report has claimed.

The Henry Jackson Society said there was a "clear and growing link" between Islamist organisations in receipt of overseas funds, hate preachers and Jihadist groups promoting violence.

The foreign affairs think tank called for a public inquiry into the role of Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations."

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40496778
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Finally?


Its been shouted from plenty of rooftops. Its just been ignored because they buy bombs and bullets from the UK and the US.
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Old 07.08.2017, 14:03
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Maybe the start of a long overdue Islamic revolution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40802538
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Maybe the start of a long overdue Islamic revolution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40802538
Wow!

All liberal minded Muslims must be thrilled with this development!
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

I dont think many care. Like most, they have their own lives to get on with.


Just like many christians dont really care about gay christians.


Good article for you:


How the ‘homophobic Muslim’ became a populist bogeyman


https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...n-trump-le-pen


"Last month in Germany, for example, lawmakers voted to approve gay marriage (and adoption) in a historic vote. The anti-Muslim populist party Alternative for Germany opposed the measure on ideological grounds, while all six Muslim members of parliament voted in support of the bill."


Now, granted, 6 is not a big number, But i dont recall seeing any news about riots in Germany from its substantial muslim community about how these 6 voted.


"The health of any society is premised on its ability to face its fissures squarely, but that is not what anti-Muslim populists are doing. By arguing that Islam and the west are forever incompatible, they construct a Muslim bogeyman while denying both their own homophobia as well as the living, breathing Muslims in their midst."
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Maybe the start of a long overdue Islamic revolution.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40802538
Of course this is welcome but it is not new, as the article states "There are now liberal Muslim communities and inclusive mosques all over the world "

The article states "it is the first permanent liberal mosque" but the article links to a liberal mosque opened in Paris in 2012. It is still going strong and here is a link to three other liberal mosques.

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Wow!

All liberal minded Muslims must be thrilled with this development!
The founders received hundreds of death threats. What a surprise.
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Wow!

All liberal minded Muslims must be thrilled with this development!
So this is supposed to be a liberal mosque, yet the women are still covering their hair?

How is that compatible with the belief that gender doesn't really exist?

For a Christian Church to be considered liberal by the press they must as a minimum deny the existence of God and play heavy metal music.
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So this is supposed to be a liberal mosque, yet the women are still covering their hair?

How is that compatible with the belief that gender doesn't really exist?

For a Christian Church to be considered liberal by the press they must as a minimum deny the existence of God and play heavy metal music.
The point is they have the choice whether to cover their heads or not. Or did you not look at the first picture?
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The point is they have the choice whether to cover their heads or not. Or did you not look at the first picture?
I'll believe they are liberal when I see a man praying in women's headdress and having a pork sandwich and a pint of lager afterwards.
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I'll believe they are liberal when I see a man praying in women's headdress and having a pork sandwich and a pint of lager afterwards.
We all ready established it is not compulsory for women to cover their hair so why would a man do it?

What is the connection between "liberal" and "having a pork sandwich"?
So vegetarians cannot be liberal
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Don't rise to the bait Marton - such a ridiculous and stupid, ignorant comment. Same old, same old
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