Basically, this is true.


However, with the help of God, human being at least sometimes (or some of them) is powerful enough to act and help to make turn out things not necessarily to the worst.
The Assads, Husseins, Khadafis ... maybe helped tourists in the Mediterranian to enjoy their holidays without glimpsing some drowned around,
but it's not those dictators didn't cause any death toll at all. All global terrorism worldwide struggles to get the slightest portion of their death toll, by comparison. And we don't only talk those who the "Lion of Damascus" killed in Hama or the kurds who died from gas attacks in Northern Iraq, but also the many who died and keep on dying already in the desert (which we don't see, evidently).


But wait, yes, it weren't Western tourists those among the murdered by the dictators, and as long as victims aren't swept ashore on a tourists' location everything is fine

I agree 100%. Islamic nut jobs have always been there, but now with the 'zoo keepers' gone, they have got free from their cages. I'm just curious why you don't seem to understand your own words?

""Assad must go" repeat the martons of every forum" as you were using a small "m" I assume you did not mean me personally?
In fact I have never posted "Assad must go", I have nothing against opticians!

The problem with replacing brutal dictators is you have no control over who follows them, case in point - Libya.

Nope. Only since Mohammed.
The disease being Islam, and it's worst symptoms being Islamic terrorism and Sharia law.

Ophthalmologists, but I grant you, "opticians" is easier to spell.

Just to take this a bit further...

It's like an eternal game of chess. We are the pawns and we keep being sacrificed to protect the king and queen. We're collateral damage, and if you ever doubt that, just go to the Excel centre in London 4-11 September (if you can find a way to get into the place), and see what 'the west' are flogging to some seriously dodgy regimes.

The honest man has the highest price, and in 2005, GWB 'bought' Pakistan as an ally in the war on terror for the princely sum of 8 F-16 fighter jets, which they promptly flew over the biggest democracy in the World, India. His dad gifted Saddam an 'irrigation system' as a thank you for winning the Iran-Iraq war, much against the advice of the security agencies who pointed out that the components of said 'irrigation system' could also be used to make WMDs. Scroll back a bit further and you'll find Jimmy Carter supplying black market weapons to the Mujahideen via Sweden during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

Those are just three, well documented and in the public domain, examples of where 'the west' has royally screwed things up. There are dozens and dozens more examples from various western countries, and every time there's a terrorist attack in the west, it proves that us pawns are still paying the price for the numb ers in government playing chess without reaching the end game.

So the next time a numb skulled, overly-ambitious little git starts begging for your vote, and tries to blind you with health care, education and taxation, ask them about foreign policy, arms deals, who we're selling to, who we're buying from, who we're giving state visits to, etc...and don't give the slimy little toads an inch of wiggly room. If you ever get a straight answer, Congratulations!, because I never have.

If you read the link that you posted then you will see Hizb ut-Tahrir advocate non violence

Quite what events in Boston have to do with the topic of this thread you will have to explain.

Comparing the reactions to these two events is comparing apples and oranges; I suspect if a group of terrorists were to organise a public event in Europe then they would see some pushback?

Anyway the US has very large NGOs like the Black Lives Matter movement who can organise their members for such protests. Offhand I cannot think of any similar trans European NGOs?

How easily people like you forget the major reaction to the Charles Hebdo massacre?

Islamic terrorist attacks and conquests existed long before 'the West' began meddling in the Middle East.

Islam is, at least partially, responsible for the problems we are seeing today.

All true - but what's missing from the analogy, is that our 'kings and queens' are selling us out, they're making terrible sacrifices and letting the opponent's pawns advance unchecked. Inviting them in.

At this rate, Europe and Western classical liberalism will be easily check mated by Islam. Or the West will just forfeit...

50 years? 100 years?

If Islam is the problem that you and others claim then can one of you please explain why Western Europe with over 20 million Muslims is not a smouldering wasteland?

Not sure what reasons you have against Sharia law being used in Muslim countries?
Anyway most Muslim majority countries have replaced Sharia with Western style criminal laws. Often they retain Sharia for personal law (marriage, divorce, domestic violence, child support, family law, inheritance and such matters)

What definition are you using for the Islamic terrorist attacks you claim existed long before 'the West' began meddling in the Middle East?

Conquests do not need explanation.

I assume you do not consider the Crusades as 'the West' meddling in the Middle East.

Most neighborhoods in Western Europe that have large Muslim communities are shitholes though

You are treading on thin ice KK, any more of your hate and you will be off on one.

ahem..

http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imper...slamchron.html

Regardless of money and geopolitics, the fact remains that there's a problem with Islamic extremists. There is no shortage of people willing to kill and die for Islam, every day, around the globe. Even if the West never set foot in the ME, or who built Sadams sewer system. It's an ideology.

Why threaten him ? Why not dispute his statement with facts perhaps ???

You mean like South Kensington

I did write "Conquests do not need explanation."

And

What definition are you using for the Islamic terrorist attacks you claim existed long before 'the West' began meddling in the Middle East?

Why? For speaking the truth? It's well known that a lot of the problems in France are due to Muslim communities living in bad conditions and that's probably true for a lot of other places. If you don't think that true, have a look at this:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...s-France-Paris

This isn't news or hate, it's simply fact. Just the same as it was for Italian ghettos, Jewish ghettos, Polish ghettos, etc, etc, in major cities around the world for centuries. What do you think the East End of London was back in Jack the Ripper's time - one big ghetto of foreigners.

There are probably still Jewish, Polish, Italian, etc, etc, ghettos in major cities around the world. Muslims aren't exclusive to this phenomenon.

wow, going a bit far there don`t you think? Its starting to show through some of your posts, but I could say the same thing of yours.

By the way, he is absolutely right.