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pilatus1 27.08.2017 17:06

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2837858)
"The conquest is happening right now, Islam is still in crusade mode. The plan is [for Islam] to destabilize, infiltrate, outbreed, etc. the infidels."

You posted "The white supremacy ideology doesn't have a decision making leader, either - does that mean that it's not a threat?" No it is not a threat in the same manner as you described the Islam threat.

BTW, the Christians were the Crusaders :)

Obviously it's not a threat in the same way. There aren't 1.6 billion white supremacists out there, thank goodness. There's no holy book from god espousing alleged supremacy of white people, so far as I know. Over a million white supremacists weren't let into Europe last year I don't think.

Yeah, the Christians were the crusaders. They were mostly reconquering land that had been taken over by militant conquest of Muslim armies in the previous 400+ years, starting with Mohammed himself. But I guess we can just pretend that the Muslims weren't crusading to conquer Europe in that time, and instead they just came to offer some fine tea and carpets for the enjoyment of all. It fits the guilt-ridden apologetic narrative that European Christians have always been the aggressors: 'well we deserve it, because of the Christian crusades 900 years ago...'.

pilatus1 27.08.2017 17:08

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Originally Posted by kriss kross (Post 2837863)
Islam is incompatible with European values and we need less Islam in Europe.

Like oil and water. Unfortunately oil floats on top and can be highly flammable.

marton 27.08.2017 17:12

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Kuwait and others tend to disagree with your statement.
Kuwait was freed?

What others? Another claim with no source!

MrVertigo 27.08.2017 17:18

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Originally Posted by pilatus1 (Post 2837868)
Like oil and water. Unfortunately oil floats on top and can be highly flammable.

I know that you're not known for having subtle opinions but avoid this type of analogy. Many supremacist claimed the impossibility of certain people to mix with "whites" and literally burned them in ovens.

pilatus1 27.08.2017 17:24

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Originally Posted by MrVertigo (Post 2837872)
I know that you're not known for having subtle opinions but avoid this type of analogy. Many supremacist claimed the impossibility of certain people to mix with "whites" and literally burned them in ovens.

oh, sorry, that's not what I meant at all...

IMO there's no incompatibility of people, only of ideas.

marton 27.08.2017 17:38

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Originally Posted by pilatus1 (Post 2837866)
Obviously it's not a threat in the same way. There aren't 1.6 billion white supremacists out there, thank goodness. There's no holy book from god espousing alleged supremacy of white people, so far as I know. Over a million white supremacists weren't let into Europe last year I don't think.

Yeah, the Christians were the crusaders. They were mostly reconquering land that had been taken over by militant conquest of Muslim armies in the previous 400+ years, starting with Mohammed himself. But I guess we can just pretend that the Muslims weren't crusading to conquer Europe in that time, and instead they just came to offer some fine tea and carpets for the enjoyment of all. It fits the guilt-ridden apologetic narrative that European Christians have always been the aggressors: 'well we deserve it, because of the Christian crusades 900 years ago...'.

"There aren't 1.6 billion white supremacists out there, thank goodness." Indeed there are many white people but very few extremists same as there are many Muslims but very few extremists!

"Over a million white supremacists weren't let into Europe last year I don't think." Maybe you mean 2015, not last year? In 2015 there were ca. 2.7 million immigrants from non EU countries of whom only 1.4 million were classed as asylum seekers and refugees. So maybe a million white supremacists were let into Europe; how would I know?

Source

"Yeah, the Christians were the crusaders." Crusades are defined as each of a series of medieval military expeditions made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th.
centuries.

The Muslims used the terms expeditions or conquests; it can be confusing if you do not use the correct terminology and say the Muslims were crusading.

Guest 27.08.2017 19:17

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We encourage our members to voice their opinions and robustly argue their points in a respectful manner. Of course disagreements are to be expected, but we expect members not to troll, stir up religious and/or racial hatred, post deliberately misleading or provocative articles, or bully or attack those that they disagree with.

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Medea Fleecestealer 27.08.2017 21:17

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Well, that certainly killed a 53 page conversation. :p

parnell 27.08.2017 23:06

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ATTENTION EF MEMBERS: Over the last year the moderator team has noticed a significant increase in the number of personal attacks, abusive comments, trolling and single agenda posts.
Just out curiosity how many agendas exactly should each post have ?

Castro 28.08.2017 07:00

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Originally Posted by parnell (Post 2837957)
Just out curiosity how many agendas exactly should each post have ?

Coming onto EF with an axe to grind, posting the same bigotted sentiments over and over again across multiple threads and adding almost nothing else. This is a community where we also help one another, discuss life in Switzerland etc.. its not a soapbox. If that is your thing then there are plenty of other forums where that behaviour would be tolerated, but just not here.

Hope that answers the question.

esto 28.08.2017 08:33

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2837987)
Coming onto EF with an axe to grind, posting the same bigotted sentiments over and over again across multiple threads and adding almost nothing else. This is a community where we also help one another, discuss life in Switzerland etc.. its not a soapbox. If that is your thing then there are plenty of other forums where that behaviour would be tolerated, but just not here.

Hope that answers the question.

We are discussing international affairs and politics in a section called "Off-Topic > International affairs/politics"...we are in the wrong place? :confused:

..and "bigoted statements"? Maybe some "uncomfortable truths", or disagreements of viewpoints...sometimes put in agressive ways...coming from both sides...but I don't see many, or any, bigoted statements.

parnell 28.08.2017 09:22

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Originally Posted by esto (Post 2838008)
We are discussing international affairs and politics in a section called "Off-Topic > International affairs/politics"...we are in the wrong place? :confused:

..and "bigoted statements"? Maybe some "uncomfortable truths", or disagreements of viewpoints...sometimes put in agressive ways...coming from both sides...but I don't see many, or any, bigoted statements.

Strictly speaking that's not true one chap said that the only good Nazi is a dead Nazi (replace Nazi with "socialist" if that doesn't immediately strike you as obvious bigotry) and another chap referred to non whites as "brownies".

Neither of whom seemed to have been banned ... but I'm sure that'll be remedied now won't it ?

Castro 28.08.2017 09:23

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Originally Posted by esto (Post 2838008)
We are discussing international affairs and politics in a section called "Off-Topic > International affairs/politics"...we are in the wrong place? :confused:

..and "bigoted statements"? Maybe some "uncomfortable truths", or disagreements of viewpoints...sometimes put in agressive ways...coming from both sides...but I don't see many, or any, bigoted statements.

We can argue all day but I think the statement posted above by 22 Yards speaks for itself. When you join EF you agree to abide by certain rules as put forth by The Local, you can obviously disagree with them in which case this forum is not for you.

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- are offensive and promote racism, prejudice, hatred or physical harm against any individual or group;

- harasses or encourage harassment of another individual or group;

Pashosh 28.08.2017 09:35

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2837621)
...Islamist groups have been simmering under the surface since time immemorial. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt have been around since the 30s BUT they were kept in check by strong and stable secular dictatorships, the very ones which we helped to bring down. Its like antibiotics, remove them and the disease quickly spreads.

Seriously it shouldn't be this difficult to understand basic cause and consequence :confused:

Better late then never - You referred to the Muslim Brotherhood as democratic in previous posts.

Basic cause in a nutshell - Muslim world failure to reform and importing failed ideologies to the west.

Other cultures suffered major defeats before reforming (for example: China early 20th century, Japan middle 20th century). The Muslim world does'nt yet show signs of reforming.

esto 28.08.2017 09:42

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2838021)
We can argue all day but I think the statement posted above by 22 Yards speaks for itself. When you join EF you agree to abide by certain rules as put forth by The Local, you can obviously disagree with them in which case this forum is not for you.

And I agree and abide by those rules 100%, and really haven't seen any violation of them here either.

FYI, if somebody points out that the majority of Terror attacks today are carried out by Muslims, that's not "bigotry" or "encouraging hatred or violence" towards a group, that's more of an "uncomfortable fact".

parnell 28.08.2017 10:06

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2838021)
We can argue all day but I think the statement posted above by 22 Yards speaks for itself. When you join EF you agree to abide by certain rules as put forth by The Local, you can obviously disagree with them in which case this forum is not for you.

And how is saying that "the only good XXX is a dead XXX" abiding with the above ???

The inconsistency of the application of the rules here has always been apparent.

esto 28.08.2017 10:14

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Originally Posted by parnell (Post 2838040)
And how is saying that "the only good XXX is a dead XXX" abiding with the above ???

The inconsistency of the application of the rules here has always been apparent.

Good point. That is clearly inciting violence towards a certain group. Has that person been banned?

Castro 28.08.2017 10:25

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Originally Posted by parnell (Post 2838040)
And how is saying that "the only good XXX is a dead XXX" abiding with the above ???

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Originally Posted by esto (Post 2838047)
Good point. That is clearly inciting violence towards a certain group. Has that person been banned?

This is surreal but nonetheless I can take this to the Moderator Zone for discussion i.e. In the interests of balance, should the rights of 'Nazis' be respected?

:msnsarcastic:

esto 28.08.2017 10:34

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Originally Posted by Castro (Post 2838061)
This is surreal but nonetheless I can take this to the Moderator Zone for discussion i.e. In the interests of balance, should the rights of 'Nazis' be respected?

:msnsarcastic:

I think inciting violence towards ANY group of people needs to be respected, regardless of the group. Is it legal to commit murder in Switzerland, so long as the person you kill is a "Nazi"? :msnsarcastic:

Guest 28.08.2017 10:45

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Self-censorship is working for me. A short ignore list has worked wonders, unfortunately I cannot add one particular mod to that list. it would be good if that could be fixed.


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