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Old 03.09.2017, 19:06
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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What if they don't tell anyone they're ex-Muslims? As a Christian at least, when you stop believing you don't tell anyone, why should you.
Being an ex-Christian and becoming (for example) a Muslim doesn't carry with it a risk of death via apostasy - other way around not so much.
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Being an ex-Christian and becoming (for example) a Muslim doesn't carry with it a risk of death via apostasy - other way around not so much.
Yes that's why I said keep a low profile. But what do I know.
Btw if I understood correctly that woman from the article has funded a support organisation so no wonder she attracted all sort of bigots.
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Old 03.09.2017, 21:36
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The most pertinent part of the article for me was the fact that because the only people who will report on harassment of Muslim apostates are right wing publications, the Muslim apostates are getting accused of being associated with those right wing publications.

Nice, eh?
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Old 04.09.2017, 10:24
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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The most pertinent part of the article for me was the fact that because the only people who will report on harassment of Muslim apostates are right wing publications, the Muslim apostates are getting accused of being associated with those right wing publications.

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali is listed as an anti Muslim extremist by the Southern Poverty Law Centre.
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My dear Pashosh, if somebody lies extensively about their background and makes a fortune milking the right-wing lecture circuit then I think they rather discredit themselves.
See also Majid Nawaaz
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Old 04.09.2017, 11:22
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

re: Southern Poverty Law Center:


http://theinternationalforecaster.co...rofits_of_hate
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Old 04.09.2017, 15:34
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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The most pertinent part of the article for me was the fact that because the only people who will report on harassment of Muslim apostates are right wing publications, the Muslim apostates are getting accused of being associated with those right wing publications.

Nice, eh?
That's a claim or an opinion, not a fact.
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Old 09.09.2017, 16:13
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

US military drops -offensive- propaganda leaflets in Afghanistan, depicting a dog wearing an ISIS flag. The offensive part is that the ISIS flag has a holy Islamic text written on it, and is being worn by a filthy, unholy dog.


Imams are mad that the US military has 'offended 1.8 billion Muslims'. Afghan politicians call for more jihad:

'“Those who are waging jihad for uprooting the Jews and Christians, and the infidel Americans who are disrespecting our religion, their feet are worthy of being kissed,” Abdul Satar Khawasi, a member of the Afghan Parliament...'

article here


Don't hold your breath for any imams to come out speaking about how ISIS has disrespected Islam by stealing an Islamic text for it's flag...

An interesting question is raised: The ISIS flag contains so-called sacred text. Is it then considered apostasy to destroy an ISIS flag?
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Old 09.09.2017, 23:19
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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US military drops -offensive- propaganda leaflets in Afghanistan, depicting a dog wearing an ISIS flag. The offensive part is that the ISIS flag has a holy Islamic text written on it, and is being worn by a filthy, unholy dog.


Imams are mad that the US military has 'offended 1.8 billion Muslims'. Afghan politicians call for more jihad:

'“Those who are waging jihad for uprooting the Jews and Christians, and the infidel Americans who are disrespecting our religion, their feet are worthy of being kissed,” Abdul Satar Khawasi, a member of the Afghan Parliament...'

article here


Don't hold your breath for any imams to come out speaking about how ISIS has disrespected Islam by stealing an Islamic text for it's flag...

An interesting question is raised: The ISIS flag contains so-called sacred text. Is it then considered apostasy to destroy an ISIS flag?
From the article: "The postcard- sized leaflets showed a lion, representing the American-led coalition forces, chasing a dog, an animal seen as dirty in Islamic tradition, wrapped in the Taliban flag."

Afghanis have very keen eyesight - they can read such small letters and get offended. miracles never cease. Not that anyone has the interest in riling up a rent-a-croud or anything.

Note also that the leaflets were dropped - Afghanistan is still isn't safe enough to simply drive thru.
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Old 10.09.2017, 01:44
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From the article: "The postcard- sized leaflets showed a lion, representing the American-led coalition forces, chasing a dog, an animal seen as dirty in Islamic tradition, wrapped in the Taliban flag."

Afghanis have very keen eyesight - they can read such small letters and get offended. miracles never cease. Not that anyone has the interest in riling up a rent-a-croud or anything.

Note also that the leaflets were dropped - Afghanistan is still isn't safe enough to simply drive thru.
The Taliban is ISIS now? When did that happen?
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Old 10.09.2017, 10:55
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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US military drops -offensive- propaganda leaflets in Afghanistan, depicting a dog wearing an ISIS flag. The offensive part is that the ISIS flag has a holy Islamic text written on it, and is being worn by a filthy, unholy dog.


Imams are mad that the US military has 'offended 1.8 billion Muslims'. Afghan politicians call for more jihad:

'“Those who are waging jihad for uprooting the Jews and Christians, and the infidel Americans who are disrespecting our religion, their feet are worthy of being kissed,” Abdul Satar Khawasi, a member of the Afghan Parliament...'

article here


Don't hold your breath for any imams to come out speaking about how ISIS has disrespected Islam by stealing an Islamic text for it's flag...

An interesting question is raised: The ISIS flag contains so-called sacred text. Is it then considered apostasy to destroy an ISIS flag?
Not much difference between these two sets of nutters but in the article was mentioned the Taliban flag, not ISIS. However, the rest of your argument stands...it's ridiculous. Well, for normal people at least.
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Old 10.09.2017, 11:14
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Oh geez, sorry, my bad...

I got my Islamic terrorist groups with Islamic texts on their flags all mixed up

I sincerely hope I haven't offended anybody.


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Old 10.09.2017, 12:26
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Here's another article showing a picture of the 'offensive' leaflet:

https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/...ze-to-muslims/

The sacred text on the dog is the Shahada, saying 'There is no God but Allah. Muhammed is the messenger of Allah.'

It turns out that it is also found on the flags of Islamic State, al-Qaida, al-Shabaab, Boko Haram, and Hamas, among others.

Here's a helpful guide:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...banners-hamas/
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

When I lefty tries to teach islam to a London iman

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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When I lefty tries to teach islam to a London iman

Strange, I cannot find these tweets in Twitter - Emmet & Michelle do not exist either.

Fake news!
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Strange, I cannot find these tweets in Twitter - Emmet & Michelle do not exist either.

Fake news!
https://twitter.com/EmmettMiche11em/...70817312768000

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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

But that is the same image of tweets that do not exist from someone who is not a twitter member
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Old 10.09.2017, 15:22
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

This article from WSJ was linked in the above twitter link from DB:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122669909279629451



""We had no idea he would have ideas like this," says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. "I'm a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I'm not a Muslim."

"Germany's Muslim Coordinating Council withdrew from the advisory board of Prof. Kalisch's center. Some Council members refused to address him by his adopted Muslim name, Muhammad, saying that he should now be known as Sven."

"Alarmed that a pioneering effort at Muslim outreach was only stoking antagonism, Münster University decided to douse the flames. Prof. Kalisch was told he could keep his professorship but must stop teaching Islam to future school teachers."

couldn't make it up...
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But that is the same image of tweets that do not exist from someone who is not a twitter member
Any chance of saying that in English?
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""We had no idea he would have ideas like this," says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. "I'm a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I'm not a Muslim."
LOL, reminds me of the time I got drunk with a Sufi in Istanbul.

Even as an atheist, I was more orthodox in my theology than he was!

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Here's another article showing a picture of the 'offensive' leaflet:

https://counterjihadreport.com/2017/...ze-to-muslims/

The sacred text on the dog is the Shahada, saying 'There is no God but Allah. Muhammed is the messenger of Allah.'

It turns out that it is also found on the flags of Islamic State, al-Qaida, al-Shabaab, Boko Haram, and Hamas, among others.

Here's a helpful guide:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...banners-hamas/
I don't even see a flag on the dog, just the text of the shahada superimposed onto its body. Someone needs to be sacked either for incompetence or malicious intent.
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