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Old 21.09.2017, 17:38
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Pray tell, do you have official stats to back up your assertion?
Of course.

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The survey found almost half (46 per cent) of offenders had their origins in south Asia including 28 per cent who had Pakistani heritage - of whom at least 80 per cent were British nationals.
Six of the eight major plots in Britain, 75 per cent, contained individual members who had trained in Pakistan and four of the leaders of those plots were directly linked to one or more Pakistani based terrorist groups.


Even if 10% of the Islamists could be deported it would make a big difference.
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Of course.

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The survey found almost half (46 per cent) of offenders had their origins in south Asia including 28 per cent who had Pakistani heritage - of whom at least 80 per cent were British nationals.
Six of the eight major plots in Britain, 75 per cent, contained individual members who had trained in Pakistan and four of the leaders of those plots were directly linked to one or more Pakistani based terrorist groups.


Even if 10% of the Islamists could be deported it would make a big difference.
The article is 7 years old, though, and won't contain statistics from the incidents after 2010.

This report is not specifically to do with Islamists but it shows the percentage of deportations up to 2015.
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Old 21.09.2017, 18:10
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Of course.

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The survey found almost half (46 per cent) of offenders had their origins in south Asia including 28 per cent who had Pakistani heritage - of whom at least 80 per cent were British nationals.
Six of the eight major plots in Britain, 75 per cent, contained individual members who had trained in Pakistan and four of the leaders of those plots were directly linked to one or more Pakistani based terrorist groups.


Even if 10% of the Islamists could be deported it would make a big difference.
"Even if 10% of the Islamists could be deported it would make a big difference." Would certainly reduce the number of curry shops and corner shops
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Old 21.09.2017, 18:31
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Six of the eight major plots in Britain, 75 per cent, contained individual members who had trained in Pakistan and four of the leaders of those plots were directly linked to one or more Pakistani based terrorist groups.


Even if 10% of the Islamists could be deported it would make a big difference.
As Sandgrounder has said, this is massively out of date, and I'm afraid that your thinking on the matter is out of date. This was tackled in 2014 and again in 2016.

This is where the UK is currently on the matter of stripping citizenship, thereby making a person stateless...

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MPs and peers have raised significant concerns over Theresa May's proposed new power to render naturalised British citizens stateless if their behaviour "seriously prejudices" the national interest.
A report by parliament's joint committee on human rights says there is a "very great risk of breaching the UK's international obligations" if the new power is used to prevent a naturalised British citizen returning to the UK from overseas.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2014...ee-theresa-may

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by DAVID ANDERSON Q.C.
Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
Presented to Parliament pursuant to section 40B(5) of the British Nationality Act 1981

http://statewatch.org/news/2016/may/...telessness.pdf
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Old 21.09.2017, 21:05
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

I'm talking about terrorists with dual nationality. They won't remain stateless.
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Old 22.09.2017, 09:33
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I'm talking about terrorists with dual nationality. They won't remain stateless.
Obviously terrorists will learn and renounce their 2nd natioinality beforehand. For German/Pakistani duals it seems to be fairly simple so it seems reasonable to expect the same for UK/Pakistanis.
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Old 22.09.2017, 09:47
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Obviously terrorists will learn and renounce their 2nd natioinality beforehand. For German/Pakistani duals it seems to be fairly simple so it seems reasonable to expect the same for UK/Pakistanis.
Does a Pakistani nationality confer any tangible benefits? Do you need a viusm to visit Pakistan as a UK citizen?

Suppose, maybe, relations between Pakistan and the Uk were to deteriorate. Might not having a Pakistani passport make it difficult for people to visit their family?

All these are reasons that people may not be so willing to renounce that nationality.

Also, if nobody else is renouncing it, doing so may actually flag you up as a suspicious person.
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Old 22.09.2017, 11:44
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All these are reasons that people may not be so willing to renounce that nationality.
Unless you plan to die soon.
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Also, if nobody else is renouncing it, doing so may actually flag you up as a suspicious person.
The UK won't know.
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Old 22.09.2017, 14:07
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

The UK won't risk much - if it doesn't work, it can simply go back to the current policy of jailing terrorists.
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Old 22.09.2017, 14:20
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Obviously terrorists will learn and renounce their 2nd natioinality beforehand. For German/Pakistani duals it seems to be fairly simple so it seems reasonable to expect the same for UK/Pakistanis.
Really does not matter, if you deport a terrorist then they will be back in the UK in no time with another identity.
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Old 22.09.2017, 14:22
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The UK won't risk much - if it doesn't work, it can simply go back to the current policy of jailing terrorists.
Withdrawing British citizenship doesn't mean they can be deported.
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Old 22.09.2017, 14:31
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Withdrawing British citizenship doesn't mean they can be deported.
Why not ? if a foreign national commits a serious crime he/she can be deported. the U.S has been doing it for decades.

Returning to the U.K with another identity won't be easy nor cheap.
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Old 22.09.2017, 15:27
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Why not ? if a foreign national commits a serious crime he/she can be deported. the U.S has been doing it for decades.

Returning to the U.K with another identity won't be easy nor cheap.
Why are so many refused asylum seekers allowed to provisionally stay in Switzerland? Why is it impossible to deport so many refused asylum seekers who'd be reasonably safe in their country of origin?

The answers to those two questions also apply to yours.

I didn't mean fake identities. Taking fingerprint, iris scans, and whatever else is at disposal would work a long ways against that.
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Old 22.09.2017, 15:32
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Why are so many refused asylum seekers allowed to provisionally stay in Switzerland? Why is it impossible to deport so many refused asylum seekers who'd be reasonably safe in their country of origin?

The answers to those two questions also apply to yours.

I didn't mean fake identities. Taking fingerprint, iris scans, and whatever else is at disposal would work a long ways against that.
Asylum seekers are not convicted terrorists - apples and oranges.
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Asylum seekers are not convicted terrorists - apples and oranges.
Human rights are universal. Apples and apples.
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Why are so many refused asylum seekers allowed to provisionally stay in Switzerland? Why is it impossible to deport so many refused asylum seekers who'd be reasonably safe in their country of origin?
It would be possible to deport them. It's just a question of the effort required and priorities.

If somebody is dangerous, I would expect him to be a higher priority than some random asylum seeker who isn't doing any harm.
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Old 22.09.2017, 16:18
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It would be possible to deport them. It's just a question of the effort required and priorities.

If somebody is dangerous, I would expect him to be a higher priority than some random asylum seeker who isn't doing any harm.
Feel free to prove your claim. And of course, policies may change anytime.

Some countries don't take back their citizens unless they go there willingly. Mind, I don't know the positions of the southasian countries so it may be simple, but then again it may be darn near impossible.
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Old 22.09.2017, 16:23
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Feel free to prove your claim. And of course, policies may change anytime.

Some countries don't take back their citizens unless they go there willingly. Mind, I don't know the positions of the southasian countries so it may be simple, but then again it may be darn near impossible.
People are being deported to Pakistan all the time. So I assume it is technically and legally possible. But I guess there is paperwork involved and I guess somebody who knows they are about to be deported might chose to hide, making it all more difficult. But somebody already in prison can't hide that easily, so it may actually be easier overall.

Example here: https://www.ots.at/presseaussendung/...-durchgefuehrt

This may be Austria, but if Austria can do it, I'd be surprised if the Uk can't.
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Old 22.09.2017, 16:25
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Returning to the U.K with another identity won't be easy nor cheap.
You clearly missed the spam that was on EF yesterday morning.
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Old 22.09.2017, 17:21
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Human rights are universal.
If that was true , there would be little need for this thread and world a much more peaceul place
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