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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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There has to be a Divine Book given by G-d which is without any mistake whatsoever...
this is perhaps the singularly most flawed premise in the history of premises. after all, I consider "Sometimes a Great Notion" by Ken Kesey to be absolutely without any mistake, and it could hardly be called "divine".

unless, of course, you take sufficient quantities of LSD while reading it to actually see and speak with God.
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Old 23.11.2015, 00:11
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Can't be a fantasy. There has to be a Divine Book given by G-d which is without any mistake whatsoever, otherwise who would believe what's written in it ? The question is which one is divine ?


First let me say this, look at the brilliance of the creation. With its galaxies, two million species animals. The human brain with its trillions of connections,all in the size of an apple. Multiply by seven billion people, going back generations. You cannot claim that a watch was created by itself, obviously it was created by someone, as the chair was created by a carpenter. Now every creation has a purpose, it can't that it was created for no reason. So what is the purpose of the creation ?


Islam - I wrote about it in an earlier post. Cannot be divine, as it has major mistakes.
Christianity - created 2000 years ago. 70 years (some say 300 years) after the death of Jesus. also cannot be divine, it has many mistakes.
1. The New Testament mentions the burial place of Abraham in Schem (Nablus) whereas the Old Testament says it is in the City of Chevron.
It is still today. There are more mistakes which I can add on if you're interested.


Both Islam and Christianity acknowledge that G-d gave the divine Old Testament to the Jews. They then claim that because the Jews betrayed G-d they received a new Version the Koran and the New Testament.


All the answers to your question can only be found in the divine Book which was given 3300 years ago on Mount Sinai in front of millions of Hebrews.
So, if I understand you correctly, you're a keen advocate for the Creation ó that all the creatures on Earth were created in one fell swoop, in the form in which we see them today. Is that correct?

And the one and only true, divine, flawless text provided by -od is the Torah ó also correct?
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Old 23.11.2015, 00:27
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There has to be a Divine Book given by G-d which is without any mistake whatsoever, otherwise who would believe what's written in it ? The question is which one is divine ?
No, the question is why you think that a statement such as "there has to be a..." is something that will in some way support your argument.
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Old 23.11.2015, 01:12
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

I am late to the conversation, but i will do my part: the overwhelming majority of muslims feel their faith is being hijacked by ISIS/alqaida and do not support their actions.

Also remember that there are nuances and things are never exactly like the media shows. It has been already mentioned that the followers of ISIS and the paris attackers are not religious muslims but are criminals, drug addicts, cast away types. ISIS is mainly a sunni Arab nationalist organization using radical religion to spearhead their operations to clear away a "Sunnistan" in Iraq and Syria. The shadow commanders of ISIS are Saddam's former generals, secular Baath types, but the spearhead in their operations are former Al Qaida fighters. These alqaida guys are religious in appearance, but their interpretation of Islam is rejected by the mainstream Sunni orthodoxy, and has always been like that. Recent PEW polls show that, in average, only 5-7% of sunni muslims worldwide support the views of ISIS. This is a very small minority, I am sure more than 5% support the views of KKK in the USA, for example.

Many of the ISIS supporters are young people from war torn countries who have been bombed to stone age by western or western backed militaries, young people who have seen loved ones die in front of them (think about the 1 million dead during the two Iraq wars and Assad's barrel bombs). They are living through constant PTSD, have seen a lot of bloodshed during childhood.

Yes, it is muslims who should deal with this problem. However, the best thing West (USA/EU) and East (China/Russia) can do to help it is to stop supporting puppet governments and dictators in the ME, whose brutality led to radicalization of many young people. Perfect example is Syria and Iraq. They should stop looking at ME as only a source of hydrocarbon and remember that there are humans beings living there.

Thats my two cents.
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Why do some Jews write "G-d" instead of "God"?

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Writing "G-d" instead of God is a fairly recent custom in America. Many believe this to be a sign of respect, and the custom comes from an interpretation of the commandment in Deuteronomy 12:3-4 regarding the destruction of pagan altars. According to the the medieval commentator, Rashi, we should not erase or destroy Godís name and should avoid writing it. In a Responsa (legal opinion) by the Central Conference of American Rabbis, the primary prohibition against erasure of the name God applies to the sacred names in a written text of Torah. With the advent of computers and the internet, rabbinic authorities have debated whether or not this applies to what is typed on a computer or read on a screen. Most have concurred that it does not apply. The bulk of Jewish legal opinion agrees that the law applies only to the written name of God when written in Hebrew and not when written in other languages. Reform Jewish practice reflects this opinion. Some Jews will avoid discarding paper or books in which Godís name appears in Hebrew. Rather than being thrown out or destroyed, they may be stored in a genizah (a storage place) and buried in a Jewish cemetery.

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Why do there have to be so many lunatics in the world? How can anyone of sound mind believe that if there was a God, he'd care how you wrote his name?
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Old 23.11.2015, 10:29
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Why do there have to be so many lunatics in the world? How can anyone of sound mind believe that if there was a God, he'd care how you wrote his name?
And why should God use the Roman Alphabet anyway?

Surely he would use emojis instead which could be understood by all his people, irrespective of which language they wrote or spoke?
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Old 23.11.2015, 10:57
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Reading some FB posts from my friends in the US frightens me. The fear of Muslims and their solutions thereof is Hitler worthy.
Perhaps peoples attitudes would be different if so many Muslims didn't support violence in the name of their religion. 1 in 4 British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo attacks. This is a poll taken from the UK, a modern, free and liberal society. Now extrapolate these findings around the Muslim world and you get the picture.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10068440.html
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:04
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1 in 4 British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo attacks. This is a poll taken from the UK, a modern, free and liberal society. Now extrapolate these findings around the Muslim world and you get the picture.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10068440.html
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:07
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1 in 4 British Muslims supported the Charlie Hebdo attacks. This is a poll taken from the UK, a modern, free and liberal society.
A society which, it would appear, does not have sufficiently rigorous academic standards, assuming that you're British.

"have some sympathy for motives behind Charlie Hebdo attacks" is not the same thing as "support the attacks". I sympathise with people who want less federal government in the US and more state control; that does not mean that I support lunatics who attempt to shoot up Washington D.C., even if they espouse "small federal government" as a motive.
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We should bomb Syria say 60% of Britons...
...Because ISIS have made an unprovoked attack on civilians in a democratic society in another country that happens to be Britain's ally. Not because some cartoons were drawn of their pretend prophet.

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A society which, it would appear, does not have sufficiently rigorous academic standards, assuming that you're British.

"have some sympathy for motives behind Charlie Hebdo attacks" is not the same thing as "support the attacks". I sympathise with people who want less federal government in the US and more state control; that does not mean that I support lunatics who attempt to shoot up Washington D.C., even if they espouse "small federal government" as a motive.
Sorry, but what the hell does it mean then? This case is black and white. Either you think people should suffer violence for insulting your religion or you don't.
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:21
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Why are you talking about god as if it's a male? I'd like to see the proof that indeed it is so.
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Why are you talking about god as if it's a male? I'd like to see the proof that indeed it is so.
As George Carlin said, "I believe if there is a god, he has to be a man. No woman could or would f**k things up like this."
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:32
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...Because ISIS have made an unprovoked attack on civilians in a democratic society in another country that happens to be Britain's ally. Not because some cartoons were drawn of their pretend prophet.
If ISIS attacked Switzerland or Cyprus you could say it was unprovoked. I just want to be clear on the language here because the reasons given by ISIS (regardless of whether anyone agrees with them) is that France has been bombing them, and that has resulted in many civilian casualties (which ISIS can capitalise on)
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If ISIS attacked Switzerland or Cyprus you could say it was unprovoked. I just want to be clear on the language here because the reasons given by ISIS (regardless of whether anyone agrees with them) is that France has been bombing them, and that has resulted in many civilian casualties (which ISIS can capitalise on)
France starting bombing ISIS after they decided to start their campaign of beheadings, mass violence etc. But this is besides my original point, which remains the same, many many Muslims find it acceptable to respond to drawings or indeed any affront to their religion with violence.
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Old 23.11.2015, 11:46
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A society which, it would appear, does not have sufficiently rigorous academic standards, assuming that you're British.

"have some sympathy for motives behind Charlie Hebdo attacks" is not the same thing as "support the attacks". I sympathise with people who want less federal government in the US and more state control; that does not mean that I support lunatics who attempt to shoot up Washington D.C., even if they espouse "small federal government" as a motive.
However, the questions were repeated in other ways...it is a "trick" used for any psychological or sociological study. A classic one at that.

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You do the math.
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However, the questions were repeated in other ways...it is a "trick" used for any psychological or sociological study. A classic one at that.



You do the math.
According to the linked article, 94% of those interviewed would alert the authorities if someone they knew was planning violence. Seems pretty clear to me.
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Sorry, but what the hell does it mean then? This case is black and white. Either you think people should suffer violence for insulting your religion or you don't.
The case is black and white. Nonetheless it seems to me to be entirely possible to have some sympathy with the Hedbo murderers while at the same time rejecting their actions as abhorrent and inconsistent with Islam. E.g. saying "I can understand why they're upset".

There were three nutters who think they have direct contact with God on Songs of Praise on the BBC yesterday. Archbishop Welby, Cardinal Vincent Nichols and Dr Shuja Shafi - representing the Muslim Council of Britain, and condemning the violence without reservation.
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According to the linked article, 94% of those interviewed would alert the authorities if someone they knew was planning violence. Seems pretty clear to me.
That question is paired with the one of being loyal to Britain. And no, there is no contradiction between answers.
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According to the linked article, 94% of those interviewed would alert the authorities if someone they knew was planning violence. Seems pretty clear to me.
Which means that 6% wouldn't. That's shit loads! About 150,000 in Britain today by my reckoning.
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