How often does that happen? And realistically, I believe sames sex partners can marry in the UK, even in a Christian church. When and where has anything like that ever happened in a Muslim dominated society?

Is this even a serious comparison and discussion? Or just outright willful denial of reality?

We all know that, but Phos chooses to ignore that fact.

It gets in the way of his 'all the muslamics are evil' jihad, you see.

Actually, if you had any comprehension skills, I just stated Libtardization Hypnotization and Stupidization is a much greater danger to Western Civilization than Muslamic Evilization. That only comes in 2nd place now.

Haven't you been paying attention?

In a Scottish episcopal church? yes, gays can marry.

In an English catholic church? no, they most certainly cannot marry.

Are your arms getting tired from all this goalpost-moving?

You're not paying attention.

Now ask some same-sex couples to try to get married in a mosque in some Muslim dominated society.

Everyone, i claim the prize of getting Phos to use the term 'libtard'.

You know when that term is used, there is not going to be anything more of substance contributed by the speaker.

Its not even midday :-)

You're moving the goalposts - yet again.

Being able to get married in a church is one thing, being able to walk down the street unmolested is another.

You brought up the topic of homophobic crime, why so eager to change the topic phos?

Bravo... except... it still hasn't caused the problems being discussed to disappear. aber schön für dich, I guess.

Let me know when you make any progress in your thinking.

I have engaged in discussion with Uttar Pradesh type Hindus, but it was on Internet forums and they were a long long way away from me, both geographically and in terms of everyday experiences and contextual understanding. Also, they did appear quite reasonable by and large, and argued that a lot of what I believed abouit them was untrue or only one side of the story, and invited me to come there to see for myself. Seeing i have more pressing things to do, I never did test that hypothesis. But maybe there is some truth to it.

I have walked down streets in France where I was given pamphlets to read condemning homosexuality. I spoke to one guy about it and there was no hiding behind supposed misunderstandings or there being another side to the story. He repeated in unsubtle terms what the pamphlet said and felt there was nothing to add. At my first job in Switzerland I had a Muslim co-worker who gave me a similar pamphlet and was also quite unashamed about it. I also know from other co-workers that they never got those pamphlets or got to see that side of him, so maybe for some reason this guy felt he could be more open towards me. I don't know. He also gave me a luxury looking edition of the Koran which i still have. I think on the whole he was a well meaning guy and he was pleasant to work with, and despite that homosexuality thing, which strained our relationship for a while, my memories of him are mostly positive.

I know anecdotes don't make statistics, and the few don't speak for the many. But our opinions are formed by our personal experiences.

It's irrelevant. Look at the title of the thread.

Same sex Muslims can't get married in any mosque anywhere but in most of Europe, the law permits them to be legally married. Presumably they wouldn't give a toss if they couldn't marry in a Catholic church but the fact is the thread is about Muslims in Europe and, in this case, they can marry.

Yes, lynching somebody en masse and killing them in full view of their children is of course, an appropriate response to a rumour that said person ate some beef. People who do that are of course 'quite reasonable, by and large'.

religious extremism is religious extremism, whether in a village in Uttar pradesh or the streets of Budleigh Salterton.

Goal post moved, but my point scored anyway. Cultural attitudes are not geographically based. There is a stark difference is response and intensity of homophobia across both contrasting cultures. Full stop. Play with yourselves beyond that proven point!

Nope, still not relevant.

Also, you can't say "Cultural attitudes are not geographically based" then emphatically contradict yourself in the next sentence.

Saying "Full stop" doesn't really make it credible.

Sounds like the sign-off of someone who's argument has been rightly trounced and has nothing more of substance to add.

Enjoy your week, Phos.

...in your parallel universe.
But most heterosexual Muslim marriages are not conducted in a mosque, so that's a moot point.

Phos has no idea about Muslim marriages.

For example, he isn't aware that only a blessing takes place in a mosque. And very often, the blessing isn't actually done in a mosque at all, but in the reception hall.

Or that the blessing can be done by anybody, as long as there are witnesses, and there is no need for a priest at all.

The reception itself is entirely cultural and has no bearing on religion.

But like i said, facts like this get in the way of Phos's 'all-muslims-are-evil' jihad.

Hehe, since when did that work in real life.
"I'm not a racist, one of my best friends is (insert the colour or religion or whatever)....". They might even have colleagues or neighbours of a specific kind, but that won't change their opinion on the whole lot. People need some group(s) to dislike, mistrust, belittle, despise, maybe even hate.
I wouldn't be too bothered about it.

History has shown that when times are tough, people find it much more palatable to blame the people they are told to blame, rather then face the fact that their society is broken through their own inaction. This is true even when their own personal experience is contradictory to the narrative they are told. To use the most extreme example, Germans who had coexisted peacefully with jewish neighbors for generations had no qualms about shopping their neighbors to the authorities. How many jews could have been saved if this weren't the case? They often had no personal problems with jews or jewish people, but they were told to hate them and blame them.

Often, the people responsible for society's shortfalls will be the ones offering up a scapegoat, and the chaos that follows suits them just fine. For the scapegoats, though, things are never quite the same again.

Jews know this only too well.

Arsenal fans, and even they're a step above Millwall fans

I hear you and agree up to some point. Jews know it too well but Jews are also a relatively small community (I know, I know....some will argue they're...everywhere!), despite of being quite spread across the world. Re. Islamic religion and followers - I think there is quite a lot of diplomacy today, in Europe, if only because so many countries have Islam as dominant religion and people need economic relations. I don't think that things can get out of control on this issue. Prejudices are a different thing though and to act against those it will take a while. Seriously, you can't imply that Muslims in Europe of today suffer what Jews suffered not only before the second world war, but many a time throughout European history.
Meanwhile, episodes like Charlie Hebdo don't help at all.