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Italian elections on March 4th... doesn't seem like the Merkels of the world are too popular there:

I note the BBC wrote an article about the shooting by the facist scumbag but not about the murder and cutting up of the young girl which apparently triggered it.
That incident was over two weeks ago, has the Mail been taken over by the Local?
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:44
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I note the BBC wrote an article about the shooting by the facist scumbag but not about the murder and cutting up of the young girl which apparently triggered it.
There's a lot more to this story than you're presenting. That doesn't take away from how disturbing it is, (in fact, it probably adds more) but there's a lot more going on here.
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/gene...311682f58.html

I also note that the story isn't being carried by a lot of UK media to any great degree, except for the DM and Breitbart. Hmmm...
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:44
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That incident was over two weeks ago, has the Mail been taken over by the Local?
Which one ?
The murder , dissection of the young girl and her body being found in suitcases ?
The arrest of the three asylum seekers ?
Their subsequent charge for murder ?
The drive by shooting by the facist ?
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:48
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There's a lot more to this story than you're presenting. That doesn't take away from how disturbing it is, (in fact, it probably adds more) but there's a lot more going on here.
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/gene...311682f58.html
No doubt there are other facts involved in the case - but the failed asylum seeker would be unlikely to be charged for murder if it was purely an accidental overdose.
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:50
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Which one ?
The murder , dissection of the young girl and her body being found in suitcases ?
The arrest of the three asylum seekers ?
Their subsequent charge for murder ?
The drive by shooting by the facist ?
All of them

Edit: look here
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Old 18.02.2018, 11:56
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No doubt there are other facts involved in the case - but the failed asylum seeker would be unlikely to be charged for murder if it was purely an accidental overdose.
Your choice of words misrepresents the case. When you wrote 'young girl' I opened the link expecting to see a 12 yr old, not an 18yr old drug addict fresh out of rehab. The fact that the accused is a failed asylum seeker is just one aspect of who he is. He's a class A drug dealer, which regardless of anything else, makes him the scum of the Earth. For you to have a valid point, you would have to prove that all class A drug dealers are failed asylum seekers, or that all failed asylum seekers deal class A drugs.
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Old 18.02.2018, 12:04
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Your choice of words misrepresents the case. When you wrote 'young girl' I opened the link expecting to see a 12 yr old, not an 18yr old drug addict fresh out of rehab.
Huh ?? 18 years old isn't young enough for you ? And you can tell a person's exact age and substance history from a picture ? Aren't you the talent ?

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The fact that the accused is a failed asylum seeker is just one aspect of who he is. He's a class A drug dealer, which regardless of anything else, makes him the scum of the Earth. For you to have a valid point, you would have to prove that all class A drug dealers are failed asylum seekers, or that all failed asylum seekers deal class A drugs.
Are you Cathy Newman ? Because that's the most ridiculous logical hyperspace jump I've seen since her interview with Jordan Peterson.

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Old 18.02.2018, 12:05
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When you wrote 'young girl' I opened the link expecting to see a 12 yr old, not an 18yr old drug addict fresh out of rehab.
Alas, that is how 'giovane ragazza' (the term used in the Italian media) normally translates from Italian into English.

Generally, it's valid for someone from 14 up to their mid-late '20s.

"In italiano si usa "ragazza" per indicare una persona giovane di età compresa tra i 14 e i 25 /30 anni. "

Reality is that it should be translated as either 'girl', 'teenager', or 'young woman', depending on the age, there is no one-one correspondance.

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Old 18.02.2018, 12:33
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Huh ?? 18 years old isn't young enough for you ? And you can tell a person's exact age and substance history from a picture ? Aren't you the talent ?
I merely read the information given in the link, and did a little research into the facts of the case...

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A Nigerian pusher accused of complicity in the murder and dismemberment of 18-year-old Roman drug addict Pamela Mastropietro in Macerata last month gave her an "extremely modest" dose of heroin, judicial sources said Thursday. Desmond Lucky is nonetheless suspected of giving the woman, who had been in a drug rehab centre and had not been using for four months, a fatal dose.
He's a pusher. He's the scum of the Earth. Everything else about him is secondary to that. If he were a native Italian, it wouldn't make the facts of this case any better.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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He's a pusher. He's the scum of the Earth. Everything else about him is secondary to that. If he were a native Italian, it wouldn't make the facts of this case any better.
The guy had his asylum application rejected, probably had no chance at finding legit work, what else is he really meant to do?
(Not excusing drug dealing or defending him, but he is the result of illegal immigration and the lack of determination to stop it)

More to the point, as there are still boatloads of relatively uneducated migrants entering Europe who will not be granted asylum and will not voluntarily leave, what do you think most of them will do for money?
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Old 18.02.2018, 13:56
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Which one ?
The murder , dissection of the young girl and her body being found in suitcases ?
The arrest of the three asylum seekers ?
Their subsequent charge for murder ?
The drive by shooting by the facist ?
So the fact that this failed asylum seeker killed a girl makes it excusable that a Neo Facist racist goes on an immigrant shooting spree. I surmise from your arguments that, that is what you mean to say!

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Old 18.02.2018, 14:32
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More to the point, as there are still boatloads of relatively uneducated migrants entering Europe who will not be granted asylum and will not voluntarily leave, what do you think most of them will do for money?
I'm not under any illusions about this. My ex husband was robbed by Albanian boat people in Rome back in '91. Back in 2004-05, I called the police a few times to arrest a people who had hidden in the back of trans-Continental trucks. That was in a professional capacity and my place of employment had an onsite facility to detain such people for a few hours until they could be removed. Also spent the last 2yrs in the UK working across the dual carriageway from Harmondsworth and Colnbrook immigration removal centres. I could go on, but I'm not allowed to...

Immigrants, migrants, refugees and asylum seekers will always exist. How governments deal with them needs to change, but I refuse to tar them all with the same brush. That's too easy and convenient.
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Old 18.02.2018, 14:34
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So the fact that this failed asylum seeker killed a girl makes it excusable that a Neo Facist racist goes on an immigrant shooting spree. I surmise from your arguments that, that is what you mean to say!

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Reading comprehension was never your forte:

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Old 18.02.2018, 15:58
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Reading comprehension was never your forte:
Nope you are trying to justify it by saying that events that triggered this person who had no connection to the murdered girl were not mentioned in the media. Perhaps they were not mentioned in the media as they had bugger all to do with this nasty little fascists actions.
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Old 18.02.2018, 16:03
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Nope you are trying to justify it by saying that events that triggered this person who had no connection to the murdered girl were not mentioned in the media.
Perhaps you should stop using English words until you understand them :

justify
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verb
1.
show or prove to be right or reasonable.
"the person appointed has fully justified our confidence"
synonyms: give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for, show just cause for, explain, give an explanation for, account for, show/prove to be reasonable, provide a rationale for, rationalize; More
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declare or make righteous in the sight of God.
"one of the elect, justified by faith"
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Your choice of words misrepresents the case. When you wrote 'young girl' I opened the link expecting to see a 12 yr old, not an 18yr old drug addict fresh out of rehab. The fact that the accused is a failed asylum seeker is just one aspect of who he is. He's a class A drug dealer, which regardless of anything else, makes him the scum of the Earth. For you to have a valid point, you would have to prove that all class A drug dealers are failed asylum seekers, or that all failed asylum seekers deal class A drugs.
Italy has already a long tradition of debating some atrocities like this ad nauseam in the press, pushing the idea of linking a certain type of crimes with certain types of people. There is not even a % of the same mediatic noise on the atrocities local Mafia is commiting- setting agriculture workers on fire (yes, there were cases and they are documented), executions when the law of silence is broken etc etc etc. I don't know why do we even keep debating some things. Italy is a wonderful but also a cruel place all in the same time.
But I have to give them something - the levels of migration are just impossible to deal with. I remember having a conversation about migration from Africa at scary levels (for the locals) even 12 year ago, with an Italian colleague of mine. She called it "invasion" even back then and believe it or not, she was not a racist person, on the contrary. Things are the way they are, sometimes it's difficult to point a finger only in some direction. Plus Italy is very complicated, having their own big and genuine problems.
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Old 18.02.2018, 16:56
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Huh ?? 18 years old isn't young enough for you ? And you can tell a person's exact age and substance history from a picture ? Aren't you the talent ?



Are you Cathy Newman ? Because that's the most ridiculous logical hyperspace jump I've seen since her interview with Jordan Peterson.
The link that was posted has " the murder and dismemberment of 18-year-old Roman drug addict Pamela Mastropietro in Macerata"
Did you not open the link
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Old 18.02.2018, 17:16
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Perhaps you should stop using English words until you understand them :

justify
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1.
show or prove to be right or reasonable.
"the person appointed has fully justified our confidence"
synonyms: give grounds for, give reasons for, give a justification for, show just cause for, explain, give an explanation for, account for, show/prove to be reasonable, provide a rationale for, rationalize; More
2.
THEOLOGY
declare or make righteous in the sight of God.
"one of the elect, justified by faith"
You crack me up hilarious, you think I need a dictionary definition! Do you ever think about what you write before your fingers hit the keyboard?
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Old 18.02.2018, 17:44
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The guy had his asylum application rejected, probably had no chance at finding legit work, what else is he really meant to do?
(Not excusing drug dealing or defending him, but he is the result of illegal immigration and the lack of determination to stop it)

More to the point, as there are still boatloads of relatively uneducated migrants entering Europe who will not be granted asylum and will not voluntarily leave, what do you think most of them will do for money?
How do you know these will not be granted asylum? This is a baseless assumption.

As of 1 January 2017, there were 5,047,028 foreign nationals resident in Italy.
We know one of them became a drug dealer.
You wrote "what do you think most of them will do for money?", what are you implying?
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Old 18.02.2018, 17:47
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How do you know these will not be granted asylum? This is a baseless assumption.

As of 1 January 2017, there were 5,047,028 foreign nationals resident in Italy.
We know one of them became a drug dealer.
You wrote "what do you think most of them will do for money?", what are you implying?
How do you know they will not all win the lotto ?? Same logic.

Statistics tell a pretty clear story.
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