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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Old 23.02.2018, 14:08
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Which part of " I admited I was wrong" you didn't get ?
Which part of your own sentence did you not read?

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For all your attempts you couldn't find a single post of mine which wasn't fact based or where I admited I was wrong.
I found a post where you admitted you were wrong. Maybe you meant the opposite of what you wrote but cancelling out the first negation what you wrote is:

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For all your attempts you couldn't find a single post of mine ... where I admited I was wrong.
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Old 23.02.2018, 14:09
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Is a moderator who is also a troll, a trollerator?
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Disagreeing with Israeli land grab policies and with people's fears that the west will become a Islamic caliphate are quite normal reactions from relatively sane forum users.
I don't think anyone has said the West will become a caliphate, merely pointed out the problems we are currently facing and the projection that Europe is going in with immigration and demographics.

I think it's a conversation that needs to be had, because while not many people will admit it publicly, the vast majority of people would not want them or their children to live in a 'Muslim area'

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Believing and repeating alt-right fascist propaganda that there is a huge crime wave in Sweden for example, solely as the result of immigrants, specifically muslim ones is also disingenuous. It's all about finding a balance
Just so we're clear, the last time that Sweden released crime statistics with race and background, foreigners, and particularly foreigners with a Muslim background, were vastly overrepresented in violent and sexual crimes.

That is not propaganda, that is a fact.
Perhaps, since then things have changed, but we cannot confirm it has changed, and I seriously doubt it has.
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Old 23.02.2018, 14:33
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Which part of your own sentence did you not read?

Just to remind you...


I found a post where you admitted you were wrong. Maybe you meant the opposite of what you wrote but cancelling out the first negation what you wrote is:
You are correct - I meant to say "Where I admitted I was wrong and retracted". I'm fallible just like anyone else.

FYI: for the post you mentioned I didn't admit I wrong, I just couldn't find reliable data to back my claim.

Castro focuses on Israel's faults. many do so while ignoring the huge problems in the middle east which have nothing to do with Israel. Even when the results of these problems literaly land on their doorstep they insist and persist in their selective blindness.
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Old 23.02.2018, 14:43
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I don't think anyone has said the West will become a caliphate, merely pointed out the problems we are currently facing and the projection that Europe is going in with immigration and demographics.

I think it's a conversation that needs to be had, because while not many people will admit it publicly, the vast majority of people would not want them or their children to live in a 'Muslim area's'

Just so we're clear, the last time that Sweden released crime statistics with race and background, foreigners, and particularly foreigners with a Muslim background, were vastly overrepresented in violent and sexual crimes.

That is not propaganda, that is a fact.
Perhaps, since then things have changed, but we cannot confirm it has changed, and I seriously doubt it has.
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Old 23.02.2018, 14:48
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Nothing in the article validates Marton's claim that "the Alt-Right propaganda is driven by the success of the social democratic model in Sweden and the alt right fears that this model will spread to other countries"

The article says that Alt-right are racists who hate Muslims, Jews & Feminists, not necessarily in this order.
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Old 23.02.2018, 14:52
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Nothing in the article validates Marton's claim that "the Alt-Right propaganda is driven by the success of the social democratic model in Sweden and the alt right fears that this model will spread to other countries"
The Swedish social democratic model is not new. It's been around for many decades. Since the post war period at least. I should think that if anybody wanted to kill it in its infancy to prevent its spreading, it's too late now.

As for the article. it seems to me that it is an anecdotal account about one guy who admits he had an axe to grind with the so called alt-right, admits he was never trying to be fair or neutral, who set out to get his bias confirmed and came back saying that he had achieved his goal, and then got published in that bastion of solid journalism that is The Local..

Just wow.

Some people know how to pick their sources.
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Old 23.02.2018, 16:28
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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When was the last time a Christian woman was punished for not wearing a veil?

Are you implying that Christian/Western women are anywhere near as subjugated as women in Muslim countries?
Tried spotting a Jewish woman in Enge not wearing a wig, stockings and flat shoes? Is that just through choice or a cultural thing?
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Old 23.02.2018, 16:40
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Apparently the alt-right fascist propaganda that there is a huge crime wave in Sweden is driven by the success of the social democratic model in Sweden and the alt right fears that this model will spread to other countries.
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Old 23.02.2018, 16:44
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Nothing in the article validates Marton's claim that "the Alt-Right propaganda is driven by the success of the social democratic model in Sweden and the alt right fears that this model will spread to other countries"

The article says that Alt-right are racists who hate Muslims, Jews & Feminists, not necessarily in this order.
The International Far Right Tags Sweden
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Old 23.02.2018, 16:49
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Again, nothing in the article even vaguely says that "the Alt-Right propaganda is driven by the success of the social democratic model in Sweden and the alt right fears that this model will spread to other countries"
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Old 23.02.2018, 16:57
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The Swedish social democratic model is not new. It's been around for many decades. Since the post war period at least. I should think that if anybody wanted to kill it in its infancy to prevent its spreading, it's too late now.
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An improved version of Gorbachev's Perestroika... A system which functions well as long as every and each piece of it works hard for the greater good, is responsible and willing to give to the state minimum half of their income, doesn't care if the neighbour who has 6 kids and a stay-at-home spouse works part time, or the little flower who'll study social sciences till his '30s will earn as much as the engineer who works since uni....and so on, and so weiter. Hard with the human nature though.
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Good documentary on BBC Radio 4 last night about how progressive Muslims are being let down by those on the Left.

The Silence of the Liberals

Observer columnist and writer Nick Cohen thinks mainstream liberal culture and left-wing politicians are failing to help progressive Muslims who want to fight inequalities endorsed by culture and religion in their communities. He calls this the "racism of the anti-racist".

Forty years ago, Edward Said coined the term "Orientalism" to condemn the West's patronising representations of the "exotic" East, whose inhabitants were too irrational to handle the freedoms Americans and Europeans enjoyed.

In this programme, Nick Cohen examines evidence that this old colonial condescension is re-emerging in 2018, He interviews frustrated Muslims tackling discrimination - Muslims who feel betrayed by the Liberal left who, they say, should be their natural allies in their campaigning for women's rights and tackling discrimination such as homophobia in Muslim communities.

In this authored documentary, Nick draws from the experiences of a range of organisations and progressive Muslim individuals - Tell Mama which supports victims of anti-Muslim hate crime, Maryam Namazie from One Law for All campaigning for women's rights against Islamic Sharia law and Jewish Beth din courts, and Amina Lone who says her outspoken views including a campaign against young girls wearing the hijab in school led to her losing her seat as a Manchester city councillor. The local Labour party failed to re-select her, blaming her attendance record.

Tell Mama founder Fiyaz Mugal's said that those who'raised their head above the parapet to speak out were intimidated and threatened, not only by the white far right but also by Islamist extremists, while Maajid Nawaz founder of counter-extremism organisation Quilliam was on a Jihadist's hit list.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Surprised to see you here Loz. Thought you'd be stalking Bannen around Zurich today.
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Nice - but according to the Swedish Council for Crime Prevention wrong :
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The number of Swedes who were victims of crimes such as fraud and sexual offenses jumped to the highest level on record last year.

A survey by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention showed that 15.6 percent of people suffered one or more offences against the person (defined in the survey as assault, threats, sexual offences, robbery, fraud or harassment) last year. That’s up from 13.3 percent in 2015 and the highest number recorded since the annual Swedish Crime Survey started in 2006.


The number of victims of sexual offences rose to 1.7 percent in 2015 and to 2.4 percent in 2016 from an average of 0.9 percent between 2005 and 2014.

“Young women aged between 16 and 24 is the group that’s most subject to sexual offences, with 14 percent of young women stating that they were victims of at least one such crime during 2016,” the council said. “Among men in the same age group, 1.2 percent said they had been victims.”
An almost 3 fold increase in sexual offences in the last 2 years...
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Old 06.03.2018, 20:49
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Nice - but according to the Swedish Council for Crime Prevention wrong :
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An almost 3 fold increase in sexual offences in the last 2 years...
2015 and 2016 are the last two years? Still in your winter hibernation?
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