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Right, but would say they are all exactly equal and pose an equal threat to civilization?

Or perhaps it one of them just a bit more of a threat than the others?
Radical Christianity probably put the world back in terms of development and science advancement more than you realise over the generations. That threatens the whole of civilisation.

Burning books, imprisoning or murdering scientists for speaking out that perhaps the Bible's version of events is in a bit of a dreamworld, the church sticking its uninformed and unhinged ideas into the education systems.

Or are you just concentrating on them there muslims with a gun or a grenade again?

I would be happy if all religion would be relegated to a past-time for people that fancy a bit of escapism on a Sunday and give it no more influence over modern life and politics as a golf club or flower arranging society.

ALL religions are good and bad in equal measure.
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Old 31.03.2018, 13:42
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Radical Christianity probably put the world back in terms of development and science advancement more than you realise over the generations. That threatens the whole of civilisation.
Don't suppose you'd have a source for that ?? Which period exactly did you have in mind ?
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Two Britons accused of being Islamic State members have complained they will not get a fair trial because the UK government has stripped them of their citizenship.


Elsheikh said the "illegal" withdrawal of their UK citizenship put them at risk of "rendition and torture".


The pair also said the murder of IS hostages was "regrettable".


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43601925
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Don't suppose you'd have a source for that ?? Which period exactly did you have in mind ?
Unsubstantiated bullshit about Muslims is all over this thread with nobody questioning it...

Anyway, as you asked.

http://www.wired.co.uk/article/scien...secuted-turing

Not forgetting about the American kids learning in school that the world is only 6000 years old...

Imagine if science had been able to progress through the ages unencumbered by religious whingers.
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How can you be an atheist and defend Islam?
I defend the right of any person to practice their chosen faith in peace, free from harassment and bigotry. If they're not harming anyone, leave them alone, and if they are harming anyone, let the criminal justice system deal with it.

People are just people. I believe 90% of how we identify ourselves is an accident of birth, be it gender, race, religion, nationality, ethnicity, etc... The point is, I honestly don't care who someone is. All the labels mean nothing to me. If you're a good person, I like you. If you're a bad person, I don't. It really is that simple.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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ALL religions are good and bad in equal measure.
So you believe that all religions have killed the exact same amount of people, have the exact same amount of radicalised individuals and have caused the exact same amount of problems?

Sorry, but it's complete rubbish, a way of sidestepping the real issue and problem.

Read my previous post about the NYT comment, you're the exact type of person it was referring to.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Not forgetting about the American kids learning in school that the world is only 6000 years old...
I honestly didn't believe that in this day and age such teachings (and beliefs) were still so rampant. I would be very interested to know how they explain away a 1 million year old fossil or the even older universe.
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Old 31.03.2018, 14:04
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Unsubstantiated bullshit about Muslims is all over this thread with nobody questioning it...
You're one of the few people on this thread who has slandered others and admitted it - without sanction I might add. People in glass houses and all that...

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http://www.wired.co.uk/article/scien...secuted-turing

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Imagine if science had been able to progress through the ages unencumbered by religious whingers.
Great link - did you realise that only TWO of the six men referred to in the article experienced any kind of "Christian" persecution ?? Of those two - Gallileo's work was mostly funded by the Catholic Church during the Renaissance - certainly not a period where you could claim that science took a backward step. The other one is Michael Servetus - a theologian active also during the Renaissance. Also Isaac Newton - probably the greatest scientist who ever lived was a fanatical Christian.

Now if you compare those lads with the present day persecution of thousands in Islamic lands you might have a clue...
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So you believe that all religions have killed the exact same amount of people, have the exact same amount of radicalised individuals and have caused the exact same amount of problems?

Sorry, but it's complete rubbish, a way of sidestepping the real issue and problem.

Read my previous post about the NYT comment, you're the exact type of person it was referring to.
Don't see why that article applies to me - I have no wish to have religion of any sort polluting society. Your article doesn't deal with that.

The tragedy is that people think that it's just Islam causing problems because they are too conditioned to question the rest of it.

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I honestly didn't believe that in this day and age such teachings (and beliefs) were still so rampant. I would be very interested to know how they explain away a 1 million year old fossil or the even older universe.
Easy - indoctrination from generation to generation. The church speaks, the congregation are conditioned to believe. Same for all religions.
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Great link - did you realise that only TWO of the six men referred to in the article experienced any kind of "Christian" persecution ?? Of those two - Gallileo's work was mostly funded by the Catholic Church during the Renaissance - certainly not a period where you could claim that science took a backward step. The other one is Michael Servetus - a theologian active also during the Renaissance. Also Isaac Newton - probably the greatest scientist who ever lived was a fanatical Christian.
Are you saying that science has NEVER been held back by religion? Just so we are clear on this point.

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Now if you compare those lads with the present day persecution of thousands in Islamic lands you might have a clue...
Is that a "yes" then? But only held back by Islam?
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Right, but would say they are all exactly equal and pose an equal threat to civilization?

Or perhaps it one of them just a bit more of a threat than the others?
Depends, doesn‘t it? Truth be told I‘m more afraid of gun toting Christians in the US than anything.
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Old 31.03.2018, 14:23
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Are you saying that science has NEVER been held back by religion? Just so we are clear on this point.
Are you Cathy Newman ?


Christianity has accelerated science at certain times in human history in a way Islam certainly has not.
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Are you Cathy Newman ?


Christianity has accelerated science at certain times in human history in a way Islam certainly has not.
Who is Cathy Newman? Your link doesn‘t work.
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Are you Cathy Newman ?


Christianity has accelerated science at certain times in human history in a way Islam certainly has not.

Islamic mathematicians are responsible for aspects of algebra, spherical geometry and the binomial theorem.
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Jordan Peterson? Seriously? Bag of Wind. No idea who Newman is, probably equally windy. Faux thought all around.
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Thanks for the groan - I couldn‘t see Parnell’s link on my ancient phone.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Don't see why that article applies to me - I have no wish to have religion of any sort polluting society. Your article doesn't deal with that.
Not the article, the comment from the article I posted after, relating to the hypocrisy from the left who have no problems to criticise Christianity yet can't do the same for Islam.

To say that all religions have and had problems is fine, to say that religious zealots come in all flavours is fine, but to pretend that Christianity and Judaism are currently as much as a threat as Islam is just ridiculous.
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Not the article, the comment from the article I posted after, relating to the hypocrisy from the left who have no problems to criticise Christianity yet can't do the same for Islam.

To say that all religions have and had problems is fine, to say that religious zealots come in all flavours is fine, but to pretend that Christianity and Judaism are currently as much as a threat as Islam is just ridiculous.
It’s not the religion itself per se though. It’s elements within who radicalize.

And to be honest, the more Muslim people I meet, the more I realize that I don’t know enough about Islam. I haven’t met nearly as many crazy Muslims as I have Christians though. But that’s a much shorter time frame. I never knew Muslims in the US.
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Not the article, the comment from the article I posted after, relating to the hypocrisy from the left who have no problems to criticise Christianity yet can't do the same for Islam.

To say that all religions have and had problems is fine, to say that religious zealots come in all flavours is fine, but to pretend that Christianity and Judaism are currently as much as a threat as Islam is just ridiculous.
Looking at some of the current politicians in the White House, I have to disagree.
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