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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Are you Cathy Newman ?
Are you on repeat, or just so obsessed with Cathy Newman that you see her everywhere?
https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...ml#post2911775
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:16
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Who is Cathy Newman? Your link doesn‘t work.
Just so that you have the full picture, Cathy Newman is a Channel 4 news anchor whose direct questioning style has led to her to needing personal security twice in her recent career. Once after the Jordan Peterson interview linked by Tom, and again after her Jeremy Corbyn interview which had Momentum up in arms and led to numerous death threats on social media.

To his credit, Peterson told people who threatened Newman after his interview to "back off". Corbyn didn't

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...v-misogyny-row

I don't know if you'll agree, but I'm inclined to think that when you manage to piss off both ends of the political spectrum to such a degree, you're prabably doing something right.

The 'Are you Cathy Newman?' meme has become a way of challenging any woman who has a mind of her own, and the intellect to think several moves ahead of her 'opponent'.
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:22
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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It’s not the religion itself per se though. It’s elements within who radicalize.

And to be honest, the more Muslim people I meet, the more I realize that I don’t know enough about Islam. I haven’t met nearly as many crazy Muslims as I have Christians though. But that’s a much shorter time frame. I never knew Muslims in the US.
But if you don't know enough about Islam, your words, then how and why are you so confident to say that 'its not the religion itself per se'?
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But if you don't know enough about Islam, your words, then how and why are you so confident to say that 'its not the religion itself per se'?
A lack of knowledge or insight about Islam hasn‘t really deterred the constant stream of utter bullshit on here from the Muslim bashers either.
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:39
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Are you on repeat, or just so obsessed with Cathy Newman that you see her everywhere?
https://www.englishforum.ch/internat...ml#post2911775
Great link - I'm very glad you remembered.

As it happens the "threats" Cathy Newman received were dwarfed by those received by Professor Peterson.
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:47
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The 'Are you Cathy Newman?' meme has become a way of challenging any woman who has a mind of her own, and the intellect to think several moves ahead of her 'opponent'.
She embarrassed herself by attempting a hatchet job - and in doing so demonstrated the vacuum of intellect on the left. No surprise you're firmly in her camp.
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:54
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Great link - I'm very glad you remembered.

As it happens the "threats" Cathy Newman received were dwarfed by those received by Professor Peterson.
I only remembered because I had to Google her name to find out who you were refering to. To me, she's just that blonde woman on Channel 4 news. I'm more of a Jon Snow, Robert Peston, Kay Burley, Tom Bradby person myself.

Since I was introduced to Peterson several weeks ago on this forum, I've spoken to a longtime friend who has attended quite a few of his lectures, and has spoken to him in person numerous times. I asked him if he believes Peterson to be alt-right or the darling of the alt-right. His reply was that on many occassions, Peterson has refered to the alt-right as "unevolved".
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But if you don't know enough about Islam, your words, then how and why are you so confident to say that 'its not the religion itself per se'?
I may not know a lot, but from the Muslims that I do know, fairly devout, not so devout, I don’t believe their interpretation of religion calls for violent behavior. Same for most Catholics, other Christians and Jews.....

I’m finished here...nothing more I can say.
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Old 31.03.2018, 15:57
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She embarrassed herself by attempting a hatchet job - and in doing so demonstrated the vacuum of intellect on the left. No surprise you're firmly in her camp.
See post #1887 above. Newman is neither left nor right and has probably received more threats from the militant left than any other group.

Me...hadn't heard of her so hardly 'in her camp' no matter how you care to twist in the wind.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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I may not know a lot, but from the Muslims that I do know, fairly devout, not so devout, I don’t believe their interpretation of religion calls for violent behavior. Same for most Catholics, other Christians and Jews......
I would guess the interpretation of their religion has a lot to do with the strength of their numbers...

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In any case the tide seems to be turning; there is still a long way at to go but more and more people are speaking out against Islam and the problems it entails.

There will always be a minority of leftists and fifth columnists who will hypocritically defend Islam ad infinitum and remain incapable of holding a rational discussion; but such people are simply a shrieking minority and their numbers are diminishing.
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I would guess the interpretation of their religion has a lot to do with the strength of their numbers...



In any case the tide seems to be turning; there is still a long way at to go but more and more people are speaking out against Islam and the problems it entails.

There will always be a minority of leftists and fifth columnists who will hypocritically defend Islam ad infinitum and remain incapable of holding a rational discussion; but such people are simply a shrieking minority and their numbers are diminishing.
Nice. So call people who disagree with your view hypocritical, shrieking, and incapable of rational thought. Why should one bother to attempt a rational discussion? To what end?

Are you a former Muslim? Have you been injured in some way by Muslims? Such enmity suggests an ax to grind.
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Nice. So call people who disagree with your view hypocritical, shrieking, and incapable of rational thought. Why should one bother to attempt a rational discussion? To what end?

Are you a former Muslim? Have you been injured in some way by Muslims? Such enmity suggests an ax to grind.
There is no discussion. Just a continual bleat that "Islam is a problem". Anyone daring to point out the glaring lack of substance to it is labeled a "leftist". I think the word is being confused with "realist".

I guess their holy grail solution (pardon the medieval choice of award) is to ban Islam.

I'm embarrassed for the friends I have as Muslims who are loving, open, cultured, tolerant and would put most of the furious finger-jabbing gammons shouting for their downfall in the shade as human beings.

Shame really.
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

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Are you a former Muslim? Have you been injured in some way by Muslims? Such enmity suggests an ax to grind.
No I'm not a former Muslim - but I did fast through Ramadan with friends a few times

I simply grew up knowing a lot of Muslims (obviously they're not all bad people, far from it) but I did see a lot of problems in their community, moved to Europe and saw the exact same problems.

I then saw a political class who is too scared to take any meaningful action, and I a reluctance in people to admit and discuss these problems - understandably, as anyone that does talk about such problems has their name dragged through the mud.
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take any meaningful action, and I a reluctance in people to admit and discuss these problems - understandably, as anyone that does talk about such problems has their name dragged through the mud.
What action (meaningful or otherwise) are you expecting them to take?

Or rather, what action would make you happy and say "Yes, now I feel the problems I have with Islam have been properly solved, I can now go on with my life."
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What action (meaningful or otherwise) are you expecting them to take?

Or rather, what action would make you happy and say "Yes, now I feel the problems I have with Islam have been properly solved, I can now go on with my life."
We have already heard from KK and a couple of others, its clear to them that Islam is incompatible with western values and culture and has no place in Europe or the rest of the Western world.

Or simply put, to those people there is no solution, it just involves more fear mongering and finger pointing, ad infinitum. Quite frankly this thread is ridiculous no one here is a theologist, I doubt anyone here has studied social anthropology and views swing from left to right, to downright bigoted.
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We have already heard from KK and a couple of others, its clear to them that Islam is incompatible with western values and culture and has no place in Europe or the rest of the Western world.

Or simply put, to those people there is no solution, it just involves more fear mongering and finger pointing, ad infinitum. Quite frankly this thread is ridiculous no one here is a theologist, I doubt anyone here has studied social anthropology and views swing from left to right, to downright bigoted.
In fairness, I'm not expecting a specific answer to the question beyond a rehash of the "incompatible with western values" mantra. No solutions just a "nobody is sorting it out for me". I guess asking difficult questions to get someone to actually think about the solution instead of whining about the problem labels me a leftist.

I am going to whine that I'm hungry but I'll get a bit leery when someone asks me what I should actually do about it. That involves thinking and possibly some action (unfortunately).
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Old 31.03.2018, 18:27
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I would guess the interpretation of their religion has a lot to do with the strength of their numbers...



In any case the tide seems to be turning; there is still a long way at to go but more and more people are speaking out against Islam and the problems it entails.

There will always be a minority of leftists and fifth columnists who will hypocritically defend Islam ad infinitum and remain incapable of holding a rational discussion; but such people are simply a shrieking minority and their numbers are diminishing.
"fifth columnists"? Now who is incapable of a rational discussion?
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Old 31.03.2018, 18:46
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Going back to the thread title, just one terror attack in Europe in the last 6 months; we will be able to close this thread soon
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That was three years ago!

The move was condemned as provocative by the Swedish LGBT activists, who organized their own counter-demonstration to protest what they saw as an appropriation of the LGBT cause for the sake of xenophobia.

30 or so people showed up to demonstrate, they were far outnumbered by the counter-demonstration.

No clue what your point is?
What point? I just find it funny! Feminists and gays are the first to jump to defend muslim immigrants but forget that they are punishable with death penalty according to sharia law.

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Radical Christianity probably put the world back in terms of development and science advancement more than you realise over the generations. That threatens the whole of civilisation.

Burning books, imprisoning or murdering scientists for speaking out that perhaps the Bible's version of events is in a bit of a dreamworld, the church sticking its uninformed and unhinged ideas into the education systems.

Or are you just concentrating on them there muslims with a gun or a grenade again?

I would be happy if all religion would be relegated to a past-time for people that fancy a bit of escapism on a Sunday and give it no more influence over modern life and politics as a golf club or flower arranging society.

ALL religions are good and bad in equal measure.
Are you serious? Are you really comparing centuries-old radical interpretations of the bible with that of the quran by Muslims today ?!
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