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It’s not the religion itself per se though. It’s elements within who radicalize.

And to be honest, the more Muslim people I meet, the more I realize that I don’t know enough about Islam. I haven’t met nearly as many crazy Muslims as I have Christians though. But that’s a much shorter time frame. I never knew Muslims in the US.
Of course there are good Muslim people who do not follow the more than 100 verses that preach violence on non believers. But, out of 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, a "tiny minority" estimated between 200 million to 400 million do literally follow the quran:

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We have already heard from KK and a couple of others, its clear to them that Islam is incompatible with western values and culture and has no place in Europe or the rest of the Western world.

Or simply put, to those people there is no solution, it just involves more fear mongering and finger pointing, ad infinitum. Quite frankly this thread is ridiculous no one here is a theologist, I doubt anyone here has studied social anthropology and views swing from left to right, to downright bigoted.
Yes, pretty much Islam is incompatible with Western values, that's a fact. TO have a place in Europe or the rest of the Western World, it must be reformed:

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Old 31.03.2018, 20:34
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What action (meaningful or otherwise) are you expecting them to take?
I can answer you, but I would like you to answer a question for me first:

Would you honestly be happy and content to live in a neighbourhood where the majority of people were Muslims, where your children would be minorities (as atheists, I presume) in a school which is majority-Muslim?
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Old 31.03.2018, 20:41
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I can answer you, but I would like you to answer a question for me first:

Would you honestly be happy and content to live in a neighbourhood where the majority of people were Muslims, where your children would be minorities (as atheists, I presume) in a school which is majority-Muslim?
As atheists we are minorities whatever. Doesn‘t matter a stuff which religion is around me, does it. Now stop dodging the question.
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Old 31.03.2018, 20:45
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As atheists we are minorities whatever. Doesn‘t matter a stuff which religion is around me, does it.
I'd hazard a guess that most atheists would rather live in a 'Christian land' as opposed to an 'Islamic land'

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Now stop dodging the question.
I told you I can answer you, but I asked that you answer my question first.
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Old 31.03.2018, 20:50
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I told you I can answer you, but I asked that you answer my question first.
I did.

Anyway, why all the stalling? Shouldn't it be crystal clear? You are so passionate about your subject yet if someone tries to understand you can‘t provide an answer?
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I can answer you, but I would like you to answer a question for me first:

Would you honestly be happy and content to live in a neighbourhood where the majority of people were Muslims, where your children would be minorities (as atheists, I presume) in a school which is majority-Muslim?
No. But then I would not wish to live in a majoriy Hasidic Jewish community nor would I want to live in a heavily Evangelical Christian or Mormon community. I prefer to live in a mixed secular community. I don’t have kids anyway.

I grew up in middle class American neighborhood. In a high school of 1200 kids, 3 were black. Would not have wanted to be them either.

If you’ve ever lived in the American Bible Belt, some communities are completely ostracizing if you don’t belong and go to the right church.
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Old 31.03.2018, 20:57
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Are you serious? Are you really comparing centuries-old radical interpretations of the bible with that of the quran by Muslims today ?!
Well the Bible has been around for 2,000 years whereas the Koran for only 1,400.
So there are some six centuries to go for the Koran interpretations to become less radical
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Old 31.03.2018, 21:01
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Of course there are good Muslim people who do not follow the more than 100 verses that preach violence on non believers. But, out of 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, a "tiny minority" estimated between 200 million to 400 million do literally follow the quran:
There are academic studies that claim the Bible is more violent than the Koran, like here

Basis is that violence in the Koran is mostly defensive where as the Bible is more offensive

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Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
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There are academic studies that claim the Bible is more violent than the Koran, like here

Basis is that violence in the Koran is mostly defensive where as the Bible is more offensive
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Old 31.03.2018, 21:59
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Yes, pretty much Islam is incompatible with Western values, that's a fact. TO have a place in Europe or the rest of the Western World, it must be reformed:
So how do you explain that many Westerners voluntarily convert to Islam?

For example, until recently Mr Arthur Wagner was a board member of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party and now he has converted to Islam and changed his name to Ahmad.
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So how do you explain that many Westerners voluntarily convert to Islam?
'Many'

The majority of Europeans want less Islam!
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Old 31.03.2018, 22:18
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So how do you explain that many Westerners voluntarily convert to Islam?

For example, until recently Mr Arthur Wagner was a board member of the far-right Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party and now he has converted to Islam and changed his name to Ahmad.
Some people will believe anything.
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Old 31.03.2018, 22:26
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The majority of Europeans want less Islam!
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Fake news on the front cover with maximum coverage, a few weeks a small article with the (less juicy) truth that doesn't get as much publicity.

Pretty much the M.O of Fake News.
Now you are quoting The Independent
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Old 31.03.2018, 23:08
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'Many'

The majority of Europeans want less Islam!
Still awaiting your answer to Sandgrounder's question.
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As atheists we are minorities whatever. Doesn‘t matter a stuff which religion is around me, does it. Now stop dodging the question.
If you're really going to pretend that you would be just as happy and content in a majority-Muslim neighbourhood as you would be in a Christian-majority neighbourhood then either:

a) You are being intellectually dishonest,
b) You are trolling,
c) You honestly believe that Muslims, as a whole, treat atheists the same or better than Christians do, as a whole.

Whatever the case, I will save your time and mine and agree to disagree with you.
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If you're really going to pretend that you would be just as happy and content in a majority-Muslim neighbourhood as you would be in a Christian-majority neighbourhood then either:

a) You are being intellectually dishonest,
b) You are trolling,
c) You honestly believe that Muslims, as a whole, treat atheists the same or better than Christians do, as a whole.

Whatever the case, I will save your time and mine and agree to disagree with you.
I asked you a question. You deflected by refusing to answer it until I answered your question (for some bizarre reason ). I answered it, now you're haggling with my answer.

I don't give a toss whether you agree or disagree with my answer, I don't even think you are interested in it. Your options of a, b, and c are frankly stupid and loaded to your own bias.

You don't have a solution to your Islam problem do you?
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Old 31.03.2018, 23:22
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I asked you a question. You deflected by refusing to answer it until I answered your question (for some bizarre reason ). I answered it, now you're haggling with my answer.
I asked you because I wanted to see how rational and honest you would be about the subject.
I've heard people say Atheism is similar to a religion/cult and now I see why

Let's both just be thankful that we live in a Christian-majority nation like CH and agree to disagree.
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I've heard people say Atheism is similar to a religion/cult and now I see why
So a bit of probing for a pivotal answer relevant to the thread provokes a new accusation that atheism is a cult.

To be fair, you did say a couple of pages back that you "had an answer" so pardon me for asking twice but, hey, if it's causing you this much angst, let it go...

And to think they call lefties "snowflakes".
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Old 31.03.2018, 23:39
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Re: All about Muslims (in the wake of terrorist attacks in Europe)

Every one is entitled to their own opinion, no one has to agree with anyone else here, can ye no just agree that you don't see eye to eye and move on? If they cannae change you're opinion what makes you think you will change theirs? For all of your gods' sakes, just move on...oh look...squirrel!
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