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Old 08.04.2018, 12:20
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I guess it was rather inconceivable to think that someone mowing down a crowd with a vehicle may have been an Islamic attack.
You hardly pondered the notion. You gave a definitive response with no thought to check the facts.
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You hardly pondered the notion. You gave a definitive response with no thought to check the facts.
I agree with you on this one, in fact I recommend kriss kross to inform himself a bit better and look for a history of vehicle ramming attacks - they're not always terrorist incidents or ideologically motivated, rather mass murders committed by deeply disturbed individuals, determined to "give back to society why they got from society" (paraphrasing some horrific mind here)...
To be fair though, there are numerous Pavlovian reactions on this forum, applying to diverse groups of people or situations, yet there's rarely a group reaction like on this stuff. If that is not double standards, I don't know what it is. And it doesn't contribute to a quality forum - as we sometimes, very rarely though, like to believe it is. It's rather an echo chamber of some group thought, singling out not because of some general principles or rules, but on subjective likes and dislikes. Sometimes I feel like reading comments on either Guardian's comment section, sometimes it's like Daily Mail reloaded, depending on the group mood. So let's not get all holier-than-thou here, only because we're backed up by a group. It doesn't even mean we're right.
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Old 08.04.2018, 13:35
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You hardly pondered the notion. You gave a definitive response with no thought to check the facts.
It had literally just happened, there were no facts available at the time, I took a stab at it and turned out to be wrong, more fool to me.
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Old 08.04.2018, 13:47
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I agree with you on this one, in fact I recommend kriss kross to inform himself a bit better and look for a history of vehicle ramming attacks - they're not always terrorist incidents or ideologically motivated, rather mass murders committed by deeply disturbed individuals, determined to "give back to society why they got from society" (paraphrasing some horrific mind here)...
My first thought is still that it's a horrific accident until more information is reported and varifiede, but that's probably because my thinking is more shaped by the Glasgow truck accident that killed 6, and more recently, the Hayes drunk driver who mounted the pavement and killed 3.

Accidents will always happen, and I don't believe that we've seen the last time this type of incident turns out to be a terrorist act, but we need to not jump to conclusions or (worst case scenario) it could lead to someone who has had an accident being shot at the wheel. Only last October, a taxi driver collided with a group of people outside the Natural History Museum in London, and the initial response was that it was terror related. It's such a fine line between being vigilant and a knee jerk response.
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Old 08.04.2018, 13:48
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It had literally just happened, there were no facts available at the time, I took a stab at it and turned out to be wrong, more fool to me.
Fair play. We all make mistakes.
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Old 08.04.2018, 16:35
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Fair play. We all make mistakes.
Some make them consistently
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Some make them consistently
I always thought you were an only child.
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Old 08.04.2018, 16:55
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I always thought you were an only child.
That's new. When did you learn to think?

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Old 08.04.2018, 23:05
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Some make them consistently
Pleease, give me a break. There is a consistent, visceral hatred against many other people and impartial mods like Castro never banned anyone, never blinked an eye on some issues. Now I know we can't beat Daily Mail but still....either you apply non-discrimination and require manners from all participants, yeah - old, semi-senile folks too (how un-PC), religions, nationalities or whatever or just stop asking people to show some principles or manners when they don't owe them...some people here should take a deep look in the mirror and stop reacting all surprised and outraged when the taste of their own medicine is given in much smaller doses than they deserve. So much hypocrisy.....not talking about you here btw. But it's rather provocative to see someone who didn't comment anything lately to pop up because it's open season for bashing someone. Talking about groupthink..
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I must have missed something .....
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Old 08.04.2018, 23:28
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I must have missed something .....
The whole forum, as a matter of fact. :-) Let's stop pretending we don't see the double standards and the groupthink. I wonder when KK will be banned again, soon, for sure.
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Old 08.04.2018, 23:36
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I must have missed something .....
I might be facing a disciplinary
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Old 08.04.2018, 23:45
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Haha, how funny. I think KK is the one who will get yet another ban...or not? :-)

Don't worry, we're very understanding here. Especially Uncle Max.
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The whole forum, as a matter of fact. :-) Let's stop pretending we don't see the double standards and the groupthink. I wonder when KK will be banned again, soon, for sure.
I missed the whole forum?

I don't do analyzing forums and their members - so I can't comment your comment. But to be honest, KK would not be the first on my list to ban if I had such a list.

I don't believe in banning for opinions - if I can't deal with people on the internet, how will I in real life?

Anyway, if I think someone is a really way out weirdo, s/he is probably a bot with old-fashioned (=very repetitive) software anyway. So how embarrassing would it be to get upset about them?
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Haha, how funny. I think KK is the one who will get yet another ban...or not? :-)

Don't worry, we're very understanding here. Especially Uncle Max.
NOOOOOO. If they ban KK then I'll miss the chance to wind him up!
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I don't do analyzing forums and their members - so I can't comment your comment. But to be honest, KK would not be the first on my list to ban if I had such a list.

I don't believe in banning for opinions - if I can't deal with people on the internet, how will I in real life?
Hmmm...analysing? Maybe too big a word. Only making some observations. I don't agree with banning for opinions either. But insults, mobbing, ad hominem and some more unpleasant things shouldn't be tolerated so....selectively. It's always a problem when it concerns specific groups or forum members, otherwise we're cool and speak freely...:-)
Now I know I overreacted a little here, was just a bit irritated...rest assured, I know nothing will change, an internet forum will be an internet forum, some fun and some nasty stuff all combined.
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It had literally just happened, there were no facts available at the time, I took a stab at it and turned out to be wrong, more fool to me.
Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A in what is Modern Day Racism.

Our Friend KK made a judgement based on incomplete data, knowing it was incomplete. He didn't care that he was leveling a grievous accusation against an entire people, nor did he give a damn about the consequences. As far as he was concerned, this was another opportunity to blame those people for something terrible, and therefore justify his obviously disgusting attitude to said people.

KK was hoping to be able to climb onto his (metaphorical) rooftop and shout to the world "See! these people are evil savages! Everything negative I've said about them in the past is true!". So eager was KK to shout this message, that he didn't spend a few minutes waiting for even the semblance of any facts, and so, he now finds himself in a quandary with his racism blatantly exposed.

See where he says 'more fool to me' instead of offering any form of apology and/or indication that he will better himself?
Despite knowing that he did not know the facts, he assumed the guilt on people who had literally nothing to do with the event. And, now that the facts have been pointed out to him, no apology will follow, nor will there be any retrospective soul searching or pondering on why he hates muslims the way he does. There will be no attempt at self-improvement. Just a pithy 'more fool to me'. Im sure the many people who have been falsely accused of such crimes will feel that is not an adequate response.

In much the same way that people historically blamed jews for various things that were not their fault, and which we now call blatant racism, our KK over here is guilty of the very same offence.

Notice how he calls it 'inconceivable' that it could not be Muslims, even after it was pointed out that there was zero evidence? That isn't just racism, that is ingrained racism, and a willful blindness to reality.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A in what is Modern Day Racism.

Our Friend KK made a judgement based on incomplete data, knowing it was incomplete. He didn't care that he was leveling a grievous accusation against an entire people, nor did he give a damn about the consequences. As far as he was concerned, this was another opportunity to blame those people for something terrible, and therefore justify his obviously disgusting attitude to said people.

KK was hoping to be able to climb onto his (metaphorical) rooftop and shout to the world "See! these people are evil savages! Everything negative I've said about them in the past is true!". So eager was KK to shout this message, that he didn't spend a few minutes waiting for even the semblance of any facts, and so, he now finds himself in a quandary with his racism blatantly exposed.

See where he says 'more fool to me' instead of offering any form of apology and/or indication that he will better himself?
Despite knowing that he did not know the facts, he assumed the guilt on people who had literally nothing to do with the event. And, now that the facts have been pointed out to him, no apology will follow, nor will there be any retrospective soul searching or pondering on why he hates muslims the way he does. There will be no attempt at self-improvement. Just a pithy 'more fool to me'. Im sure the many people who have been falsely accused of such crimes will feel that is not an adequate response.

In much the same way that people historically blamed jews for various things that were not their fault, and which we now call blatant racism, our KK over here is guilty of the very same offence.

Notice how he calls it 'inconceivable' that it could not be Muslims, even after it was pointed out that there was zero evidence? That isn't just racism, that is ingrained racism, and a willful blindness to reality.

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"Racist" LOL

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"Racist" LOL

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Is KK racist against coloured people too?

I thought he just hated muslims, regardless of colour.
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